Well fellas, I have been using my underdrives for over a year now on an old battery. The charge voltage goes to about 8 volts at idle and picks up to 14.3/6 volts at 1,200 RPM. I guess I haven't had any problems because I don't let my car sit and idle for hours on end. I start it, roll the power windows down and drive it. In the winter I start it, turn on the defroster at full blast, wait for the windshield to clear and drive it. I'm guessing that if you are having charging issues with underdrives then you would have probably had issues with the stock alternator anyway. The couple of minutes it sits with a low voltage charge isn't going to kill a good battery. Pulling 250+ amps out for 5 seconds by turning the starter will pull more reserve than letting it idle for 5 minutes at 8 volts.