Tuning just for 67coupe351w and Killerkittycat

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Killerkittycat, sell that edelbrock on EBAY if you already have a DEMON. 67COUPE351w, junk yours, too.I have no idea why you can't use this formula on a demon. It's just a glorified holley with a shiney coat and radiused edges.( I'll catch wind for that one hehe.) KKc I can't tell you your magic numbers, ass :D . You need to take it to the track and see at what jet size up front the car runs best. Then, run around the street on the smallest jet you can without hesitation, stumbling, overheating..... Then you can figure it out. You can't just pull these numbers out of your ass. 351w, your wasting your time with an edelbrock if you plan for horsepower. If ALL YOU WANT is to " SET IT AND FORGET IT " then that's your carb. But since I always hated spending my hard earned money on something to have someone tell me to sell it because of something his cousin's sister's boyfriend heard without a reason why... STUFF IT! EDELBOG has two things good going for it. You don't spill gobs of fuel changing jets, and its enrichment circuit. Oh yeah.it's purdy,too. OK that's three. The idea of no PV is awesome. Instead of having a PVCR or PV, you have metering rods. Which are ungodly changable. These metering rods pull out of the jet,not all the way, but to the skinnier part of the rod you see when it's out. Because it's inside the jet, it only let's so much gas through. When vacuum drops, the spring expands and the rod pulls out a bit and lets in more gas. The spring is the same as your 5.5 6.5 7.5 PV it's for the timing. And your jet and rod are the PVCR. Get it ? To know how much gas is going in your engine you subract your metering rod from your jet. The larger number on the MR is the fatter part of the MR. And the smaller is The skinnier of the two.If you have a jet 104 with a rod of lets say 3752, then at cruise you have an flow area of 52. Whe ou floor it and vacuum drops, you have 67. So if you like the 52 for cruise,but 67 is too much you can change the MR to suite. If you can't get it to add up to 52 exactly change the jet,too.
As for the bog...I don't know what to classify these things as. It's not vacuum secondary, although it does have a vacuum operated secodary set of butterflies. Yet it is a mechanical secondary, with no secondary pumpshot,hence the bog. When the secondaries slam open,the motor goes lean instantly. And do to the sudden drop in vacuum you have fuel fall out. The fuel actually falls and hit the manfold floors. And since you have no vacuum,your carb can not meter fuel properly. And tis is the reason for the pumpshot to force feed to motor if you will while the motor recovers. This why big cammed engines are hard to nail down a decent idle or driveablitly. NO VACUUM AT IDLE. The pump shot on an edelbog suck because they don't have cams like a holley... so there no timing to them, just dump fuel. The diaphram get old and shrinks,letting fuel by instead of going to the motor.
The list goes on and on but it is a great beginner carb. I got one because when I started out I was terrified of the name " HOLLEY" and all the horror stories. It's just like nitrous. You'll have alot better luck if you read on it first, before you blow things up. :rlaugh:
But if after all that you still want to know, a few things on tuning it tell me. I know of a few.
 
I am confused. Are you calling the people in you mentioned in your post asses?


Also, here is a hint. Break up your paragraphs. It makes it much easier to read, and gets the point across more effeciantly.
 
I dont know much about carbs but ive heard the main diffrence between holley and edelbrock is personal prefrence aside from being prettier and no fuel spillage.

Ive changed rods jets and springs before but it was just following the guidelines in the manual to lean it out a tad since it was running so rich that you could run a 2nd car off the exhuast.
 
I'm running an Carter on my engine, which is the same as the Edelbrock, and I've never had a problem with a bog. So it's not something that happens with all of their carbs. I think 12sec67 is running one as well. So it is possible to get performance out of these carbs.
 
mustang70 said:
I'm running an Carter on my engine, which is the same as the Edelbrock, and I've never had a problem with a bog. So it's not something that happens with all of their carbs. I think 12sec67 is running one as well. So it is possible to get performance out of these carbs.

your right - i WAS !:rlaugh:

since then i upgraded to get the full potential.:banana:
 
Heres the thing with 12sec67. He had the BIGGEST jets edelbrock make in the front and back...and had to drill out the backs also....and put the AC pump in the top hole, with a huge squirter. And he also had in the stiffest springs to get the rods to pull out very early,too. And it took him a long time to get out the bog and alot of gas in tuning. I was there and had to here all the whinning, and trial and error. You should here his cousin, "it stinks like gas." I convinced him to get a holley and now he won't shut up about it. He'll get another 1 to 3 tenths when he tunes it with the other one upgrade he made also. And he'll get better MPG once he makes me give him his MAGIC number.
67COUPE351 if you changed all the metering rods and it still is rich, the jet needs to be changed,too. Then if it had to go richer at WOT then you put in a MR with a smaller tip and the same size shaft in. If you get the book in the other post it will tell you alot about the downfalls of edelbrock. Doesn't point at edelbrock,but speaks on parts that edelbrock ands carters have.
Mustang70... dude it's all in what your engine wants. The seconds set of butterflies on edelbrocks are to help with the sudden transition to WOT. Now if your engine is drawing tons of vacuum, they will open quickly. If you want to test that theory...take off the top to your carb and remove them. Then floor it. I promise it will fall flat on it's face. If not your running WAY to rich. And it's not that you can't get performance out of them. Hell I had a 12 sec car with a 600 edelbrock. But how much more can ya get if ya scrap it ? I threw on my holley with a proform main body and I CANNOt get tires to stop spinning. :shrug: The proofs in the puddin my man.
 
I am just looking for good performance and driveability out of the Mustang. It has a good engine (except for the burnt valve which I caused trying to make the 625 Road Demon work) :bang: :bang:

As far as you wanting to race....... bring it on. The Cougar will play. Only problem I have is that I am stuck in the race rear end and can not shift into the cruise. 6 mpg does suck at today's gas prices.

BTW... It is hillarious to watch the faces of the young punks with their "fart pipes" come up beside me at a light and rev the engine. So I just pull the lever and by-pass the exhaust. Never even had one race......... STRANGE...
 
Sorry it takes me so long...If it's idle thats rich 351, then it;s the screws in the very front. Start screwing them in evenly until it acts stupid then back them out a 1/4 to 1/2 . That is only close. get a vacuum guage to get it perfect.