Tweecer or My own Tune?
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Maybe do both? if money allows of course...
a very reputable shop does a dyno tune on a tweecer and then gives you the tweecer after they're done...includes 3 hours of tuning...for $900...IMHO worth it for the expertise and an excellent base tune to get you started...plus they show you how everything works and so on. I'll be doing it as soon as I can find the change...probably next spring
a very reputable shop does a dyno tune on a tweecer and then gives you the tweecer after they're done...includes 3 hours of tuning...for $900...IMHO worth it for the expertise and an excellent base tune to get you started...plus they show you how everything works and so on. I'll be doing it as soon as I can find the change...probably next spring
I got stuff to say ... don't I always 
To: Guero
For quite some time now, I've been saying self tuning takes a certain personality and if using a Tweecer ... even the more so
I think if you are one who has always wanted to know how stuff works you would find self tuning to be something you could enjoy
If you don't care about stuff like
how the pcm works
why drivability suffers with mods
what happens if you + or - spark
what happens if you + or - fuel
& ... stuff like that
OR
If having hard data to analyze current combo status
and then
using new data arrived from tweecs to evaluate latest combo status
doesn't kinda make you think about various possibilities
Well ... thoughts along those kinds of lines usually kinda tell you if you would find using a Tweecer a or 
kinda thing.
You do have to admit ... there seems to be no middle ground when peeps talk about this method of self tuning
Not tryin to put peeps in seperate little boxes
but
just tryin to give some general obversations I've seen with myself and other Tweecer users over time ... no matter if they had positive or negative results.
I'd bet money some of the other SN member Tweecer users would have some other ideas or better ways to say what I'm tryin to say.
A plea for you guys to help me out here
But ... I'm certain of this
they all know what I'm trying to say here
Now ... To: Therian
Not saying that is a bad deal for 900 bux
however
The interface has now gone up to what? ... little less than 600
I'd get the RT not the Basic unit 
AND
a wideband for the same total price
Here is where the personality thing kinda comes in
and
I don't know you
but
In three hours, he ain't gonna show you anything that hasn't been talked about many times on this very site.
Seems to me, his hand holding ends up giving you less than a complete package
Again, if the dyno idea makes you feel more comfortable ......
Go for it
I'm not tryin to rag on you or anything like that
Here is a perspective from one who has done it however ......
If you got your own wb, you can do on the street what he does on the rollers as you will have the same trustworthy data he does.
The thing about having the data is this ..............
You can get your tune very close to on the money
You don't need a dyno ... but ... you will eventually wanna go so you can come on here and use dyno results to brag to all the rest of us
Just seems to me ... you get more for your $$$
if
You do the tuning.
Grady
To: Guero
For quite some time now, I've been saying self tuning takes a certain personality and if using a Tweecer ... even the more so
I think if you are one who has always wanted to know how stuff works you would find self tuning to be something you could enjoy
If you don't care about stuff like
how the pcm works
why drivability suffers with mods
what happens if you + or - spark
what happens if you + or - fuel
& ... stuff like that
OR
If having hard data to analyze current combo status
and then
using new data arrived from tweecs to evaluate latest combo status
doesn't kinda make you think about various possibilities
Well ... thoughts along those kinds of lines usually kinda tell you if you would find using a Tweecer a
or You do have to admit ... there seems to be no middle ground when peeps talk about this method of self tuning
Not tryin to put peeps in seperate little boxes
but
just tryin to give some general obversations I've seen with myself and other Tweecer users over time ... no matter if they had positive or negative results.
I'd bet money some of the other SN member Tweecer users would have some other ideas or better ways to say what I'm tryin to say.
A plea for you guys to help me out here
But ... I'm certain of this
they all know what I'm trying to say here
Now ... To: Therian
Not saying that is a bad deal for 900 bux
however
The interface has now gone up to what? ... little less than 600
I'd get the RT
not the Basic unit AND
a wideband for the same total price
Here is where the personality thing kinda comes in
and
I don't know you
but
In three hours, he ain't gonna show you anything that hasn't been talked about many times on this very site.
Seems to me, his hand holding ends up giving you less than a complete package
Again, if the dyno idea makes you feel more comfortable ......
Go for it
I'm not tryin to rag on you or anything like that
Here is a perspective from one who has done it however ......
If you got your own wb, you can do on the street what he does on the rollers as you will have the same trustworthy data he does.
The thing about having the data is this ..............
You can get your tune very close to on the money
You don't need a dyno ... but ... you will eventually wanna go so you can come on here and use dyno results to brag to all the rest of us
Just seems to me ... you get more for your $$$
if
You do the tuning.
Grady
blksn955.o
Founding Member
I look at it like this...
You need to sit down and ask yourself some questions.
Will YOU be able to devote the time to learn the things (its not that hard now with all the help out there if you know were to look).? Do YOU like to learn how the computer works? Do YOU not mind the that will comes with the learning curve? Are YOU so picky that YOU would not be happy with what a tuner would do...esp. after getting the basics down and knowing how YOU could have done that? The BIGGIE that YOU can be patiend enough to take your time in baby steps to get a solid foundation before moving on?
YOU noticed I put YOU in caps as its up to YOU.
If you are unwilling to do or put up with any of these things and want it to be "done"-ish, as you may have to put up with some crappyness anyway even with a pro tuner, at one time. Then you might want to take some time and look at your options.
I would suggest looking at the tuning forums here and on eectuning.com or is it org now? on the 94-95 specific stuff and see if you can understand it while you work along with some threads to a downloaded program for the tweecer.com site. The software is free so you can play around with it and at least SEE what people are talking about as far as what things do what to get the feel of it.
MustangGT95- you can download a stock mustang gt 5spd (T4M0), gt auto(U4P0), cobra(J4J1), or cobra R(ZAO) base tune for our eecs here at http://www.eec-tuning.org/forums/
in the downloads area. The software is free to download but you will need the hardware (interface) to actually tune the mustangs eec.
You need to sit down and ask yourself some questions.
Will YOU be able to devote the time to learn the things (its not that hard now with all the help out there if you know were to look).? Do YOU like to learn how the computer works? Do YOU not mind the
YOU noticed I put YOU in caps as its up to YOU.
If you are unwilling to do or put up with any of these things and want it to be "done"-ish, as you may have to put up with some crappyness anyway even with a pro tuner, at one time. Then you might want to take some time and look at your options.
I would suggest looking at the tuning forums here and on eectuning.com or is it org now? on the 94-95 specific stuff and see if you can understand it while you work along with some threads to a downloaded program for the tweecer.com site. The software is free so you can play around with it and at least SEE what people are talking about as far as what things do what to get the feel of it.
MustangGT95- you can download a stock mustang gt 5spd (T4M0), gt auto(U4P0), cobra(J4J1), or cobra R(ZAO) base tune for our eecs here at http://www.eec-tuning.org/forums/
in the downloads area. The software is free to download but you will need the hardware (interface) to actually tune the mustangs eec.
I'm wondering the same things... this Tuner everyone is so fond of, "Tweecer" is it worth the money? why does everyone like it so much? I dont' mind the pulling of hair, the frustration, and the absolute gfkghdiflfighfg... of tuning my own car, i would enjoy it. I would get a better sense of accomplishment that way, than if i had somebody else tune it on a Dyno.
blksn955.o
Founding Member
The diff. from the base and R/T model is the R/T can datalog the base does not.
The only one to get is the R/T version. The R/T is the version that allows you to datalog. The whole thing with tuning is to log the info to get a clearer view of were you are and if the changes you are making are in the correct direction.
Without the datalogin' how would you know were your changes put you. You use cert. peramitiers to see if the tune is good or better with each change. That is also the awsome part about the logn' is that it will be over the whole driving range you go threw in the real world.
Now to do it 100% correctly you will need a wide band o2 (WB) to see what your actuall A/F is at WOT. However, you can tune the non-WOT areas of the tune effectively without one, or at least get the non-WOT very close.
The only one to get is the R/T version. The R/T is the version that allows you to datalog. The whole thing with tuning is to log the info to get a clearer view of were you are and if the changes you are making are in the correct direction.
Without the datalogin' how would you know were your changes put you. You use cert. peramitiers to see if the tune is good or better with each change. That is also the awsome part about the logn' is that it will be over the whole driving range you go threw in the real world.
Now to do it 100% correctly you will need a wide band o2 (WB) to see what your actuall A/F is at WOT. However, you can tune the non-WOT areas of the tune effectively without one, or at least get the non-WOT very close.
blksn955.o
Founding Member
I wide band really does not interact with the eec. You might run it threw the EGR wires to datalog it (you switch off the egr electrics manualy with a switch) then log the EGR but its really the WB. You really keep them seperate systems as far as the function really.
Yes you will need to weld a bung onto the H pipe. Also those autometer A/F guages are NOT WB's. They are more light shows that are tapped into the stock narrow band o2's.
Most times the WB maker will send directions as to how far down the exh. the bung needs to be welded as the tend to have a diff. warmup temp/time than the stock o2's.
Yes you will need to weld a bung onto the H pipe. Also those autometer A/F guages are NOT WB's. They are more light shows that are tapped into the stock narrow band o2's.
Most times the WB maker will send directions as to how far down the exh. the bung needs to be welded as the tend to have a diff. warmup temp/time than the stock o2's.
Grady,
I think the price differential may have something to do with Canadian prices vs. American. It'd be closer to 750 in the states...which I imagine is more reasonable. you do make good points as always
if it were any old dyno shop I wouldn't consider it, but paul dasilva has ages of mustang experience and is probably the most respected tuner in Ontario. I figure if there was something I couldn't learn here that I could somewhere else, it would be in his shop
I certainly am one of those people who likes to get dirty and figure out how and why things work...but I also like to have a bit of hands on guidance before I jump right in...for instance, before I went ahead and prepped my car for paint, I spent an hour talking to the guy who would eventually be spraying it for me. I found his advise to be priceless, and it helped my a lot along the way. After that, I generally do my own things...whether it be playing guitar or designing/developing websites...
that said...stangnet (and especially some of the wiser gurus) is an invaluable information resource in itself. and when it comes time to tuning, I'll be all over this forum asking questions to get myself centered.
thanks for making me think grady
I think the price differential may have something to do with Canadian prices vs. American. It'd be closer to 750 in the states...which I imagine is more reasonable. you do make good points as always
if it were any old dyno shop I wouldn't consider it, but paul dasilva has ages of mustang experience and is probably the most respected tuner in Ontario. I figure if there was something I couldn't learn here that I could somewhere else, it would be in his shop
I certainly am one of those people who likes to get dirty and figure out how and why things work...but I also like to have a bit of hands on guidance before I jump right in...for instance, before I went ahead and prepped my car for paint, I spent an hour talking to the guy who would eventually be spraying it for me. I found his advise to be priceless, and it helped my a lot along the way. After that, I generally do my own things...whether it be playing guitar or designing/developing websites...
that said...stangnet (and especially some of the wiser gurus) is an invaluable information resource in itself. and when it comes time to tuning, I'll be all over this forum asking questions to get myself centered.
thanks for making me think grady
Therian said:Grady,
I think the price differential may have something to do with Canadian prices vs. American. It'd be closer to 750 in the states...which I imagine is more reasonable. you do make good points as always
if it were any old dyno shop I wouldn't consider it, but paul dasilva has ages of mustang experience and is probably the most respected tuner in Ontario. I figure if there was something I couldn't learn here that I could somewhere else, it would be in his shop
I certainly am one of those people who likes to get dirty and figure out how and why things work...but I also like to have a bit of hands on guidance before I jump right in...for instance, before I went ahead and prepped my car for paint, I spent an hour talking to the guy who would eventually be spraying it for me. I found his advise to be priceless, and it helped my a lot along the way. After that, I generally do my own things...whether it be playing guitar or designing/developing websites...
that said...stangnet (and especially some of the wiser gurus) is an invaluable information resource in itself. and when it comes time to tuning, I'll be all over this forum asking questions to get myself centered.
thanks for making me think grady
What a diff a little more info can make
...... The info you've given about the money diff is certainly something that makes it all that more of a better value
however
The guy you have now told us about
I would JUMP all over that for sure
Peeps who have the fruit of success are so rare
When I was working with Ed Curtis .................
I picked his brain for all I could
I got a bunch of good stuff too
Looking forward to what you got to say about the session
Grady
ok i tried downloading the software for my car. But i cant ****ing find it. i went into http://www.eec-tuning.org/forums/ and was looking but never found it!!! were is it at?
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