Two Questinons

[bynummustang]

My name is Jordan Robinson, I just joined up on "stangnet" and I have two major questions.

I have a '90 LX 5.0 with the following: 65MM tb, 351 W heads, shorty headers, 2.5" x-pipe, 2 chamber after cat (fully welded), aluminum drive shaft, 3.73 rear gears, sub-frame connectors, 16" corbra rims, and lowering springs. Every thing else is stock. The car is 100% street-legal, and I want to keep it legal, to be able to drive it to school and poke fun at the ricers.

1. Is there anytype of saftey fuel cut-off? I was on my favorite straight country road, and went a bit too fast, 120 MPH, and the car cut off. No brakes nor power stearing. After I finally stopped, I cranked the car back up and no problems. What was the problem? Is it the stock fuel system not sending enough gas into the engine?

2. This regaurds the future of my car, and how much of a beast it becomes. I am a High school student who has been working for three years to buy and mod my car. My current mods are posted above. I plan on keeping my car blower and nitrous free, and still want to get a good 350+ to the wheels. I know that the numbers are a bit high, but hey, I'm still a High School student who is still a bit naive, but I do plan on putting a stroker in, porting the heads, new intake, bigger injectors, the whole deal. My question is: which brands of each products work the best? Which company for the stroker, intake, injectors and so on. How big is the drop off from the 331 to the famous 347?

Any help will be useful.

 

[SamSnyder]

I am unaware of any top speed cutoff that would kill the engine, since (as you already know from having no steering and no brakes) it could also kill you. I think the LordCheezusOurSaviorAlmighty was trying to tell you not to drive 120 mph on the same sort of public roads that I use. I do agree that going quick and fast is fun. But given your current experience, I would suggest that rather than trying to make your car even hairier, you should be thinking about dropping in a 2.3 liter non-turbo with automatic. I have to go now. I am calling my insurance agent to raise the limits on my UM/UIM coverage so that my family will be able to pay off the house after you kill me on your favorite country road showing off to some guys in Japanese cars.

 

[90mustangGT]

Well your car cutting off like that is most likley the ignition or maby a higher power as mentioned by Sam.

Your in HS, I know unless your getting money or some kind of hook up then your probally not making that much money. Greatly increasing the output of the motor might be fun, but your going to break more things. If this is your only car, and your on a budget, be carefull. This stuff gets expensive.

A stroker is going to cost you a lot of money. I would first see about maby porting the intake or an aftermarket intake. The stock lower intake is the biggest restriction in the motor.

 

[vristang]

Old joke...
The patient tells the doctor "It hurts when I move my arm like this."
The doctor replies "Then don't move your arm like that."
If the car shuts off at 120, then drive 115 and it won't happen again.

I can't think of any reason that the car would shut off because of speed. I would agree that it may have been your personal angel trying to tell you to slow down. It's not a good idea to drive faster than your angel can fly.

The 351w has the potential to do what you want to do. There is a sticky on the 351w swap at the top of the 5.0 tech forum. They have a lot of performance option ideas there. Basically though the 5.8 is the same as the 5.0 so think along the same lines

Welcome to the Mustang world. Most likely you will be infected for the rest of your life.

 

[89CopCoupe]

Try pulling codes from your computer and see what numbers you get ... it could be a number of things that cut it off (excluding Devine Intervention ).

Could be a lack of fuel (fuel pump,etc) ... could be a lack of spark (module, etc). Pulling the codes will give you direction into finding the solution ...

If it's Devine Intervention, then God isn't ready for you yet. He wants the insurance companies and legal system to b itch-smack you around 1st

Then again maybe He shut 'er off ... hoping you would freakout and roll yourself into oblivion

Boy, I'm tellin' you ... if you hit somebody doing crazy stuff, ya better not stick around to see what you did ... get away from the scene as fast as you can ...
If it was to get broadcast on the evening news then don't ever tell a soul. A hit and run homicide on your conscience is always better than them taking your Stang away and locking you in the bighouse with guys that are fond of young men j/k

Ps- Welcome to StangNet

 

[txstang84]

how bout i open this one off with, welcome to stangnet-hope you find all you seek on here, and maybe something you didn't know you might need!

you guys all had me rollin about this guy's nagging desire to make his car faster-I've been there...I've owned my '84 since my 17th b/day-over 10 years.

listen to these guys, making your car stupid fast is tons of fun, but learn to drive it in it's current form-i mean ALL of it's quirks and idiosynchrises-that way when you do start modifying it, you'll have a better chance of recovering from a vicious ass-happy burnout at above normal speeds.

and 90GT is right, as soon as you make more power, you have a greater potential for breaking other things...

IMO, upgrade the chassis and suspension first (e.g. strut tower brace, control arms, bushings, c/c plates, struts/shocks) don't go too wild though, if you want to keep this thing docile enough to drive on the street, then keep your choices reasonable-do research before you buy ANYTHING, and honestly think about what you expect from your car. There are trade-offs to be made for just about anything, making 450hp and having 20mpg is attainable, but keeping your foot off the go pedal in a car with that much power is like trying to keep a sailor away at sea for 9 months out of a brothel...

read lots of tech articles, and stick to the simple stuff first, get a tune, port your stock intake, etc...

oh yeah, I've got a ported stock lower just sitting around if you'd like to give that a shot...? if you're interested, give me a shout

and again-welcome to stangnet!

 

[bynummustang]

To all who have given insight: I do know the risks of driving fast, and to Sam, if I am on a crowded road, i do not drive anywhere near 3 clicks over the limit. I do not drive this car as a daily driver, I have a 98 civic for that duty. Again I may still be naive, but I live out in the middle of no-where. I learned to drive on a '79 4-banger four speed mustang when I was 7. This is the part where I may be naive still, "I am confident in my ability to drive my car, a V8 with a 5-speed, pretty darn well." I know as soon as I click 'post' there will be people laughing at me, saying I'm full of it, and such. And to sam again, the road where this incident happened was near a farm, the road was 3.4 miles long, and not a curve in sight. From reading what I've read, I have come to conclude that the only reason my car cut off was that G-d cut it off? NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE, but I didn't join 'stangnet' to have people preach to me, I am a religious man, but here might be a part that truely scares the majority of you, I am a Jew. And on a site like this, I would NEVER have expected to have religion or a higher power brought in on any question. I joined up for advice on how to solve a problem, with the notion that some older more seasoned mustang owners would be able to help me with my car, not finding Jesus. Maybe I joined the wrong group. To whom I have hurt with my post, or offended in any way: I am truely sorry. I just want help with my car, not from a preacher. Is that too much too ask?

 

[inklvr]

I don't think they were trying to "preach" to you or talk religion. I think they were just trying to say there could be many reasons why your car did that. The way you discovered it wasn't such a good idea (even if it was a noncrowded road). If it were to of happened at a track or something like that, I'm sure the responses would have been different. Think before you post something. If you were doing the wrong thing to begin with, why do you think you'll get the right answer????

 

[89CopCoupe]

.... I have come to conclude that the only reason my car cut off was that G-d cut it off? NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE, but I didn't join 'stangnet' to have people preach to me, I am a religious man, but here might be a part that truely scares the majority of you, I am a Jew. And on a site like this, I would NEVER have expected to have religion or a higher power brought in on any question. I joined up for advice on how to solve a problem, with the notion that some older more seasoned mustang owners would be able to help me with my car, not finding Jesus. Maybe I joined the wrong group. To whom I have hurt with my post, or offended in any way: I am truely sorry. I just want help with my car, not from a preacher. Is that too much too ask?

No one was preaching to you moron ... we were making sarcastic cracks about your speeding.
I think you did join the wrong group ... we don't care for whiners on here polluting the website with the inability to identify humor.
That fact you are of Jewish decent means nothing other than me saying Happy Hanukkah to ya.

Just because someone mentions God doesn't mean you have to ignore the technical aspects that were posted as well.
You believeing this or that changes nothing of reality ... You have a right to believe what you want and so does everyone else.

And for the record ... God did cut-off your car ... so you would post on this website and expose your bias, then I would be able to see what a moron you are and call you a Jackass. Have a nice day

 

[Dbeck002]

Why is everyone being so rude to this guy. He just wants some tech help and yall are being penisfaces.


He is at least kind enough to use correct grammar, sh1t give him props for that.

None of this "omfgz0rz i ran 125 on hiway and my car stallzed out omfg help lmfao!!!11one"


He may have been speeding which is wrong but he got the point (besides all you hypocrites have done 100+ on the highway at one point so stop yer b1tchin), lets just give him some tech help, if yall wanna bicker n **** go to talk forums...



Anyway, i think your fuel was cut off because it could have been very close to empty and you might have sucked up a lot of air into the fuel lines if you hard breaked, killing the engine.

There could be other possibilities, i cant think of any right now.

 

[vristang]

I am a Jew.

I really don't care.
But to quote Eric Cartman I would like to say
"Dont' be so hard on yourself Kyle."

The simple truth is there is not much chance that the speed you were traveling had anything to do with your problem.
It was suggested to check the codes. This is the best place for you to start, since it can give you a direction to go in when troubleshooting.

If you have the marbles to come back after that fit, then mention anything you have done to the car recently. In my experience that is usually when the problem developed. In other words, while fixing one problem I created another problem.

 

[bynummustang]

Dbeck, I think you are a truely great man. Vristang, I'm not gonna stop asking for help, I do have the marbles to come back. I was shocked that someone would say God shut my car off, joke or not. Recently, I have done nothing to my car. All the mods on it came that way when I bought the car. The wrenches were turned by Carolina Mustang in Cary, North Carolina. I'm positive the work was done correctly, not half a**. From reading the posts from tonight, I think I should've said everything first, it got me more help that before. The ideas that were presented help me tons. My gas tank was low, not trickling low, but low none-the-less. An air pocket so far seems like the best reason that my car did what it did. I'm glad Dbeck said what he did, because I didn't want to call anyone out nor make person attacks. I think that everyone that has a mustang and modded it has tested the mods before. So thank you to everyone that was a help. For the rest of you, God bless.

 

[Car RamRod]

side topic here....wont those 351 heads lower the compression and do more harm than good on an engine that power?
Where do you live? I could probably hook you up with engine parts for pretty cheap. HS student here too.

 

[SamSnyder]

Jordan buddy -- take it easy. You've got to get a thicker skin if you're gonna post on open websites. I was in no way preaching religion, for the simple matter that I don't believe in organized religion, yours or anybody else's. If anything, I was poking fun at the New Testament guys by referring to Cheezus. But my point was picked up by some others here, namely, that I worry about younger guys going nuts with these cars on public roads. You can get into SERIOUS TROUBLE VERY FAST with a 3200 lb car that has 350 hp. It's that simple. I know, I know, it's hugely fun and I don't want to come off as some twisted old dick, but come on, 120? You'll look like a bottle of Smuckers jelly spread over the road at that speed, as will anybody else you come into contact with. Back in high school (many years ago) I had a friend who killed some innocent bystander with his car. It not only killed the other guy, but it turned my friend into a big loser for the rest of his life. After that I couldn't stand to be around him because he was always crying in his beer, and he probably couldn't stand to be around himself. One of my current buddies was only doing 125 in his Factory Five Cobra on the back straight at Willow Springs Raceway, and that was FAST. 120 in a street Mustang on public roads is nuts. All I'm saying is take it easy buddy. And don't go away, nobody wanted that. It's an open forum and your input is as valued as anybody else's. Free speech is what makes America great.

 

[vristang]

Dbeck, I think you are a truely great man. Vristang, I'm not gonna stop asking for help, I do have the marbles to come back. I was shocked that someone would say God shut my car off, joke or not. .

Way to bounce back.

Were you able to pull codes? The more I think about it though I am not sure this would provide any useful feedback, but it is all I can come up with.

Oh, and go ahead and make personal attacks, its more fun to watch.

 

[bynummustang]

Ram-rod, I live in Pittsboro, North Carolina. I put that I live in Chapel Hill because it is a better known area. I wasn't able to pull any codes what-so-ever. As for the 351W heads lowering my compresion... I haven't the slightest clue. I know that they have a larger than stock combustion chamber, but thats about all I know about those heads. If you have some parts, let me know what they are, and I might be able to send some money your way. I'm off to work now, I'm working two jobs today. What a man's got to do to pay for just gas.

 

[Curse]

Ram-rod, I live in Pittsboro, North Carolina. I put that I live in Chapel Hill because it is a better known area. I wasn't able to pull any codes what-so-ever. As for the 351W heads lowering my compresion... I haven't the slightest clue. I know that they have a larger than stock combustion chamber, but thats about all I know about those heads. If you have some parts, let me know what they are, and I might be able to send some money your way. I'm off to work now, I'm working two jobs today. What a man's got to do to pay for just gas.

Do you mean you haven't pulled any codes yet, or no codes showed up? Have you checked you full cut off switch(<--have no clue what the switch is called)in the trunk area? My friend's car had a broken connector on the cut off switch and his car would shut off anytime he went over some bumps. He changed the connector and hasn't had a problem since. Good luck

 

[darthcual]

Okay to answer your question maybe you partially tripped your crash sensor in ur trunk? I dunno if this is possible but take the molding out and see if you can push the little red button back in. Its on the drivers side next to the tail lights.

 

[89CopCoupe]

What did Buhda say to the hotdog vendor?
Make me one with everything. .

 

[Car RamRod]

I know your all concentrating on the shutoff, but does anyone else think those heads are hurting him? The larger combustion chamber loses compression, and the ports and valves are much bigger than needed, so the a/f ratio loses its velocity. Plus, it all gets clogged back up if your still using origional 302 headers.