Vortech Dyno results in...

[atlblue2000]

Well, the good news is that I don't have any more pinging and that I was finally able to pull it beyond redline. The bad news is that I didn't detonate any b/c she's running pig friggin rich. You can see the graph yourself, but it just falls off the chart (which is below 10.0) after 3,800 or so RPM. It does beat being off the chart in the other direction, but the guys at the shop said there is alot left in it as is, which is kinda obvious. Because of FFW this weekend, I have two options; Either buy one of the handheld tuners and let Jim D'Amore (sp.?) dyno tune it this weekend or just reburn the chip (which leaves my car down for a few days). I have plans (down the road, but plans nonetheless ) to really dig into this thing and I think that while the JDM route is definitely more costly now, it will pay off down the road.

Well anywho...here's the damage.

190.7 RWHP, 226.2 RWTQ

The dyno operator said that it made ~ 9psi so I am confident that there's plenty left in it. With that said, what do you guys think is left in it? I'd guess that I could probably squeeze ~35-40 more hp out of it if we got the A/F dead on. My biggest concern is how many reburns will that take???

Well, all you smart people feel free to make any suggestions about what direction you think I should go.

If the attached pic is too small, its also on my website in my sig.

 

[93 teal terror]

Wow that really is rich.....Id say you have at least another 30-40hp in there. I would go with a programable tuner so you can make changes without having to reburn the chip everytime

 

[atlblue2000]

Wow that really is rich.....Id say you have at least another 30-40hp in there. I would go with a programable tuner so you can make changes without having to reburn the chip everytime

I concur. I hate dropping all that money now, but the thought of not fooling with chips anymore is kinda enticing.

 

[peyotesands]

Well anywho...here's the damage.

190.7 RWHP, 226.2 RWTQ

at least you got what Ford advertises our cars HP and TQ are to the wheels. That's got to account for something. I figured you should be closer to 250hp...

 

[atlblue2000]

Well after a lengthy convo with my shop guys, I went ahead and scheduled a slot for next Monday to have Jim D'Amore tune the car. I just really like the idea of the handheld tuner, which means no mroe chips ever. Also, later on if I decide I want to spend a few more bucks I can pick up the necessary stuff so I can do some datalogging and get to the point where I can tune this thing myself. Now once I get past this, I can drop some bills down on the new 3.73s


Edit: Sould have put this in tech so I could run up the post count.

 

[97v6Silver]

yeah not even breaking 200 yet thats gotta be kinda disapointing...

 

[Lsredy2kstang]

That is what I am thinking, no where near 200 hp, I am hitting 194/220tq just on the engine and have not gotten to the dyno with the nitrous yet.

 

[ryanrule]

yeah this just seems wrong

 

[SpectorV]

with 9 psi you should get it tuned out to aroudn 240rwhp and tq~ if you have an auto, with a manual better numbers of course.

 

[atlblue2000]

Fear not...its just a matter of dyno tuning. I'll be getting this taken care of Monday, so I hope to be back here reporting some real numbers soon thereafter. Yes the numbers are low, but Justin said that sometimes the tubing before and after the MAF can throw off the MAF transfer function and create these types of problems and that it was really hard for even the top notch tuners to control for this via a mailorder chip.

I am not too worried about them getting my combo dialed in well. If I had a built 4.2 with a stout cam and was pushing 400+ to the wheels, then yes I'd leave it for the people I have actually dealt with. But since my combo consists almost entirely of just the blower, I tend to be a little optimistic.

 

[atlblue2000]

with 9 psi you should get it tuned out to aroudn 240rwhp and tq~ if you have an auto, with a manual better numbers of course.

Even with a manual, if I break 240, I'll be happy. When my car was n/a, it never seemed to make the numbers that everyone elses did. I'm not really sure why, but I just always fell short of the norm. So, with that said, I am going in to this dyno tune with expectations that aren't super high just for the simple fact of knowing how my car generally responds to mods. Another guy @ 3.8 had almost the same exact setup and could not get out of the 230s so I think 240 would keep me happy for now. Hell, it would wind up being a total of ~70rwhp over my n/a numbers on just 9psi of non-intercooled boost. What I really need is an intercooler of some sort; this puppy gets smokin' hot.

 

[ryanrule]

what numbers did u have b4 it?

if u get intercooler get a smaller pulley too

 

[DanM]

Wow, you're puking fuel like a madman.

Get that **** tuned right and you'll easily see 40 more horsepower and lbft.

On an unrelated note - what happened to your carbed 302, eh? My 351W is well under way.

BTW - careful driving it that rich for long. You'll **** up your cats in no time.

 

[atlblue2000]

Wow, you're puking fuel like a madman.

Get that **** tuned right and you'll easily see 40 more horsepower and lbft.

On an unrelated note - what happened to your carbed 302, eh? My 351W is well under way.

BTW - careful driving it that rich for long. You'll **** up your cats in no time.

yeah, I never really hogged it too hard anyhow, just on occassion. I pretty much broke it down like this... if I can get what I should out of it, then I am going to sell the 308 and put it towards replacing the kidney the dyno tune is going to cost me. If it falls short again, I am just going to say screw the V6 build and possibly commence the 308 carb build. I just need to speak more with my mustang shop about that one first. If Monday goes real bad, look to see the blower for sale... I'm kinda at my breaking point with this thing b/c I've never made the power it was capable of with the mods I had so if I don't see my $3,000+ worth out of this biotch, I'm done. I can use the money for the 308 and some other essentials.

 

[DanM]

Cool man. Don't worry about it, the tune will set you straight. 193hp is disappointing for 9psi for sure, but you're running, what, 9:1, maybe 8:1? 7:1??

The tune will set you straight, and with 240hp and 260+tq at the wheels of a lighter V6, you'll be able to keep up with moderate V8s nicely!

Of course, I plan to have the 351W making 400lbft and 350-400hp. That's some ass-haulin ****.

 

[ryanrule]

ill give ya 20 bucks

 

[atlblue2000]

Cool man. Don't worry about it, the tune will set you straight. 193hp is disappointing for 9psi for sure, but you're running, what, 9:1, maybe 8:1? 7:1??

The tune will set you straight, and with 240hp and 260+tq at the wheels of a lighter V6, you'll be able to keep up with moderate V8s nicely!

Of course, I plan to have the 351W making 400lbft and 350-400hp. That's some ass-haulin ****.

Yeah, I am fairly confident (as was the shop who seems to be very happy with JDM) that they can get me squared away. There are a couple of guys @ V6power that are not fans of JDM at all so they have me a little nervous, but the shop I've been frequenting lately is really impressed with them and one of them actually had his dual stage nitrous'd Lightning tuned by them today (this thing is worthy of the ) . So hopefully my local guys won't let me down, and if by chance they wind up being wrong about Jim, then I guess I'll just have to get started on that carbed 308, huh Dan??

 

[atlblue2000]

ill give ya 20 bucks

Well, hit me up Monday evening with that offer and if I accept it then you will know for sure that the tune did not go so well.