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89MustangGX

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Anyone know what's up with the emissions issue the governor is trying to push through?

I heard it may just be for new cars, but it's supposed to be toughest in the country -- even more than CA?
 
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I heard something about it on the news, but they said that current cars would be grandfathered in and it wouldn't affect them. Just another form of oppression perpetrated by the man!
 

Tylerb59

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Carp.

I might need to put a catted x on afterall.

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http://www.king5.com/localnews/environment/stories/NW_120804WAKemissionsKC.2100ba6a.html said:
Locke wants California emissions standards for Washington
04:59 PM PST on Wednesday, December 8, 2004

Associated Press


OLYMPIA, Wash. - Gov. Gary Locke and legislative Democrats on Wednesday proposed that Washington adopt California's vehicle-emission standards, the toughest in the world.

Locke, a two-term Democrat who leaves office in January, also announced a freeze on state government purchase of four-wheel drive sports utility vehicles. The state motor pool will begin shifting to hybrid vehicles, which run on electricity and gasoline.

The proposal to adopt California's auto standards, effective the 2009 model year, is the centerpiece of the lame-duck governor's package of bills to combat global warming.

"Global warming is here," Locke told a news conference.

"Global warming is real and it affects all of us. ... The impacts from global warming can be devastating to our coastline, our public facilities, our agricultural economy and to our environment.

"We must take action now to reduce or avoid these consequences for future generations." Without stringent measures, he said, the snowpack could melt so much that his youngsters won't be able to ski at Snoqualmie Pass when they're his age.

Carbon dioxide emissions from vehicles, including buses and commercial trucks, account for 55 percent of the state's emissions, Locke said - more air pollution than industrial smokestacks.

The new standards would greatly reduce pollution, ease health concerns, and save motorists enough in fuel savings to more than pay the extra cost, estimated at $328 on the average, of buying a fuel efficient vehicle, he said.

California estimates that the tough new standards will cut emissions in cars and light trucks by 25 percent and in larger trucks and SUVs by 18 percent.

The auto industry sued California on Tuesday. Locke said Washington will monitor the lawsuit, but believes federal law clearly allows the California standards and that other states are free to adopt them.

Seven other states have adopted California's standards: New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, Vermont and Rhode Island. The eight states account for about a fourth of American car sales.

"California drives the market. It is the fifth-largest economy in the world," Locke said.

States need to take the lead, since the federal government is not, he said.

The new standards require automakers to use better air conditioners, more efficient transmissions and smaller engines.

Hybrid autos, such as the Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius, and other super-efficient vehicles would be exempt from emission inspections required every two years in Clark, King, Pierce, Snohomish and Spokane counties.

Locke is working with California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski on a West Coast global warming project.

Kulongoski's advisory group meets Dec. 17 and may also recommend adoption of the California emission standards.

Locke also proposed to:

-Establish state energy-efficiency standards for commercial appliances and products, such as commercial washing machines, refrigerators and icemakers. Federal standards cover consumer appliances.

-Adopt state goals for reducing greenhouse emissions. The state would try to reduce pollution to 1990 levels by 2010 and to 10 percent below that by 2020. Washington State University's Climate and Rural Energy Center would track the progress and suggest strategies for achieving the goals.

-Require utilities to focus on renewable and energy-efficient generation of electricity. The bill also includes requirements for conservation.

House Transportation Chairman Ed Murray, D-Seattle, and a number of majority Democrats in the Senate announced their support for the full package. Murray and Locke said Republicans also have expressed interest and that bipartisan votes are likely.

Locke said he hasn't yet lobbied his two potential successors, Democrat Christine Gregoire and Republican Dino Rossi, but is optimistic that the eventual winner will take up the cause.

Gregoire's environmental credentials are impeccable and Rossi is a board member of Nature Conservancy, which endorses the legislation, Murray said.
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tarch

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Isn't Locke almost out anyway?
 

89SportVert

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Tylerb59 said:
Kulongoski's advisory group meets Dec. 17 and may also recommend adoption of the California emission standards.
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Those in oregon may too get the screw....
 

Juiced87Notch

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89SportVert said:
Those in oregon may too get the screw....
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noooooo.... god damn hippies
 
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don't you realise the seriousness of the situation...soon we will all need our own boats...we cannot depend on the navy...plus they might be busy...we have to take this global warming more seriously...
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VR4

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JESUS ****ING CHRIST.



i recently had a government hybrid escape in the shop....getting a whopping 22 mpg. my fkn lincoln does better than that. im just happy im driving around catless in all my cars and enjoy the sweet smell of C16 in the morning.
 

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Okay, so what is the deal with emissions in OR? I want to get JBA LT's and if I can get away with the O/R H-pipe I will. I can always buy the catted one later if need be...

What do you Oregon experts have to say?
 

98Snakebite

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PDXStangDude said:
What do you Oregon experts have to say?
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I say Kulongoski is a *****. And that is my "expert" opinion.

Hybrids are the biggest joke. Loaded with hundreds of lbs. of Highly toxic batteries that won't be able to hold a charge in a few years and will be consequently dumped in landfills. Ultra Efficient my a$$. The Prius gets about 46 mpg. There are plenty of other non-hybrids in the 40 mpg range, because they don't have the burden of packing arround two seperate drivetrains. I could go on for hours... All this will help no one, it's all politics.
 

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Juiced87Notch said:
noooooo.... god damn hippies
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+1
 

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98Snakebite said:
I say Kulongoski is a *****. And that is my "expert" opinion.

Hybrids are the biggest joke. Loaded with hundreds of lbs. of Highly toxic batteries that won't be able to hold a charge in a few years and will be consequently dumped in landfills. Ultra Efficient my a$$. The Prius gets about 46 mpg. There are plenty of other non-hybrids in the 40 mpg range, because they don't have the burden of packing arround two seperate drivetrains. I could go on for hours... All this will help no one, it's all politics.
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While I agree that helped me nadda.....
 

LordMustangGT

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Don't we get to vote about it anyways, just vote NO!!! I'm pround to have a cat-less mustang, and when I need to do my emissions I just put on my BBK High flow cats for a day every two years.
 
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Stock5.0,

Didn't you tell me at Bremerton that you had sent a letter to our congress representative about this situation?

If you have any contact information, we could all pass on letters of concern instead of bitchn and moaning about it.

Thanks,
Brandon
 

281pony

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look at original thread date...

not sure if this is still trying to be passed or not.
 

VR4

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hahaha. wow. im usually good at checking post dates too. just havent been here long enough.
 

saleenster

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I recently saw that Law makers are pushing the auto makers find a way for most daily communters to achieve 40 mpg. Dont ask me how this will be achieved cause I only caught a tale end of the story. This is their idea of a cure of $4 per gallon fuel. I know this thread is old, but it still has merit IMO
 

VR4

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saleenster said:
I recently saw that Law makers are pushing the auto makers find a way for most daily communters to achieve 40 mpg. Dont ask me how this will be achieved cause I only caught a tale end of the story. This is their idea of a cure of $4 per gallon fuel. I know this thread is old, but it still has merit IMO
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the problem is convincing us sheeple to buy those 40 mpg commuters.


im considering 1....but it aint no new car. its 18 years old.
 

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I just recently was re-certified as a State of Washington Emissions repair Specialist. We were told by the instructor that in as little as 2 years, more than likely 3-4 years there will NOT be any emissions testing in the state of Wa.! In fact even though the state adapted Ca. standards, there is NO $$$ to implement them! We asked," If there is not going to be any testing, WHY are we hear? " The answer was that the state was keeping up "appearances " that it was doing all it could to curb emissions. We asked "why is the testing going to stop?" The answer..............the cars are so clean now that in another 2-4 years they will NOT be the reason for the pollution, along with the fact that as every year goes by the # of older polluting cars grows less and less to the point that they are not a concern anymore. I am NOT making this up. Honest! So even though Wa. passed Ca. emission standards a few years ago, it CANNOT afford to implement them! Now mind you this IS what the INSTRUCTOR told us. He is paid by the state to teach the class. I am sure if you called Wa. DEQ they would deny these statements. How do you think the "Greenies" would react if this info was released to the press. The screaming could be heard for miles! NOOOOOOO!!! we must get rid of the cars god dammit!!! they would say. Everyone MUST use mass transit!! they would yell! So for the sake of "politics" no one is saying much if anything about it. Do not get me wrong, I am ALL for emission controls, my goodness you can still make a butload of power and still be "clean". Anyway this is my 2 cents worth.
P.S. I am NOT making this up!
 

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Bullitt347 said:
I just recently was re-certified as a State of Washington Emissions repair Specialist. We were told by the instructor that in as little as 2 years, more than likely 3-4 years there will NOT be any emissions testing in the state of Wa.! In fact even though the state adapted Ca. standards, there is NO $$$ to implement them! We asked," If there is not going to be any testing, WHY are we hear? " The answer was that the state was keeping up "appearances " that it was doing all it could to curb emissions. We asked "why is the testing going to stop?" The answer..............the cars are so clean now that in another 2-4 years they will NOT be the reason for the pollution, along with the fact that as every year goes by the # of older polluting cars grows less and less to the point that they are not a concern anymore. I am NOT making this up. Honest! So even though Wa. passed Ca. emission standards a few years ago, it CANNOT afford to implement them! Now mind you this IS what the INSTRUCTOR told us. He is paid by the state to teach the class. I am sure if you called Wa. DEQ they would deny these statements. How do you think the "Greenies" would react if this info was released to the press. The screaming could be heard for miles! NOOOOOOO!!! we must get rid of the cars god dammit!!! they would say. Everyone MUST use mass transit!! they would yell! So for the sake of "politics" no one is saying much if anything about it. Do not get me wrong, I am ALL for emission controls, my goodness you can still make a butload of power and still be "clean". Anyway this is my 2 cents worth.
P.S. I am NOT making this up!
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if what he said is true....awesome. too bad ill still need to register out of county for a couple years.

regarding the clean statement...what are the emission numbers on the car in your sig?
 
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