Every time I see one of these, I have so many more questions than answers.I don't see anything in this thread that gives me pause about street driving a Fox.
Why do foxes break like this more so than other cars?
Every time I see one of these, I have so many more questions than answers.
Why do foxes break like this more so than other cars?
What mods had they done to the structure, chassis, etc. Would subframe connectors have helped or did some of these cars have them and they were they part of the problem (making the car too rigid)?
How exactly did they hit to make it happen?
[Let me say this,back in the 70s Dayton,Oh.bought a bunch of Fairmont police cars. On the TV news it seemed every week you would see them blasted in half.They either got rid of them ,or ran out of them.
Some of these foxes breaking in half seem to happen at relatively low speeds. There was one posted to AFM a few years ago where it happened at less than 50mph.I don't see this as the case. I've seen images of [lots] of cars halved. I even recall a particular IROC that I saw split in two, first-hand. One of the two new sections was up a tree. The driver was doing 100+ when he lost control and hit the telephone pole.
Some of these foxes breaking in half seem to happen at relatively low speeds. There was one posted to AFM a few years ago where it happened at less than 50mph.
Like I said though, I have more questions than anything. If I do end up tracking down the right 85-86 for my next project at some point, it's getting a cage, so it'll be a moot point for me, but it makes me wonder just what in the hell is going on.
How many of those cars that had power added and then drag raced ended up with warped bodies? You won't ever see that with newer cars.I believe it's called typical 70's, 80's, and early 90's unibody construction and design techniques. Once you start looking at the calculations for deflection and load bearing of structural members in these cars, it becomes apparent they cannot take certain impacts, even at relatively low speeds, as they were never designed for it. It's not just a foxbody thing, it's a majority of vehicles that were designed and produced during these times.
I give immense credit to the engineers today that design current vehicles. The regulations and requirements they have to deal with, and the designs they come up with, is just incredible. You only have to view a couple offset crash tests from 80's vehicles compared to current vehicles and it becomes painfully obvious. The advancement of computer simulations and engineering tools have also had a huge impact on this as we are able to simulate real work scenarios into designs with ease, compared to years of research and trial and error in the past.
There's no comparison between older cars and new.
I think we are more sensitive to Mustang crashes because, "Oh F-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-u-u-u-u-u-u-dge".
I believe it's called typical 70's, 80's, and early 90's unibody construction and design techniques. Once you start looking at the calculations for deflection and load bearing of structural members in these cars, it becomes apparent they cannot take certain impacts, even at relatively low speeds, as they were never designed for it. It's not just a foxbody thing, it's a majority of vehicles that were designed and produced during these times.
I give immense credit to the engineers today that design current vehicles. The regulations and requirements they have to deal with, and the designs they come up with, is just incredible. You only have to view a couple offset crash tests from 80's vehicles compared to current vehicles and it becomes painfully obvious. The advancement of computer simulations and engineering tools have also had a huge impact on this as we are able to simulate real world scenarios into designs with ease, compared to years of research and trial and error in the past.
Curious on how you guys perceive the cage or no cage on street car debate.Like I said though, I have more questions than anything. If I do end up tracking down the right 85-86 for my next project at some point, it's getting a cage, so it'll be a moot point for me, but it makes me wonder just what in the hell is going on.
For me it's about chassis stiffness, I've owned three foxes, two of them convertibles, and the sheer amount of flex always made me uneasy. A cage, even a six-point that doesn't have an overhead bar at the front, should help. If I do have another fox in the future, it'll either be something special that I leave stock (like a 7up car) or an 85-86 hatch that I coyote swap. If it's the former, it won't get a cage, if it's the latter? It's getting one.Curious on how you guys perceive the cage or no cage on street car debate.
Is it safer? My guess for a roll over it is.
But for occupants with no helmet on, does it just give you what is likely a closer hard object to hit your head on?
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