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Water pump and timing cover bolt kits..

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  • Start date Start date Dec 22, 2007

93 LX

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Looking for a stainless kit for my 93 Stang. I want to retain all the studs and such.

Allen
 

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ARP # 454-1504



You will need to reuse a few of the studs. Nobody makes a fastener kit that includes the factory style studs for the A/C compressor bracket, etc.
 

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4G-KDMP

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if you have your old bolts why not go to home depot or lowe's and match up your old bolts with new ss bolts, it's got to be cheaper ...and your not paying for a complete kit that you can only use some of the bolts from.
 
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Fox8950

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I hated that nobody made a fastener kit that had the actual factory style studs and after calling a dealership and finding out I could get all but one (due to discontinuation) BUT these idiots wanted $30 for 1 freakin stud. Low and behold one of those stupid little H.E.L.P. packages you see at most autoparts stores had the exact studs I needed to replace. Not stainless of course though but is where I had to look to find new studs.
 

5spd GT

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This is all the information I have in my "file"...

Water Pump Bolts:

The quickest and easiest way to get the proper timing cover bolts and water pump bolts is to buy two kits from www.totallystainless.com.

Timing Chain Housing Kit 302 EFI 12 pt stainless. #6-0847
Water Pump Kit 302 EFI Through '93 12 pt stainless. #6-0931

The above are just bolts, no special studs for accessories

TotallyStainless.com does not sell a water pump kit for 94/95 5.0L.

If the prices above are a bit steep you can piece them together with the information below:

Autozone carries 3 of the odd sizes, which includes 2 studs and one long bolt.

http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip...l/initialR,NONAPP15034/shopping/selectZip.htm

The Autozone part number is 23744.

Bolt Dimensions for Autozone (Motormite Inc.) 23744 bolts:

Ford/Lincoln/Mercury Cars & Trucks 3.8L, 4.6L, 5.0L, & 5.8L. Includes 1 bolt and 2 studs.
Bolt Size: 5/16"-18 x 5",
Stud Size: 5/16"-18 x 3/8" x 16 x 5-3/8" and 5/16"-18 x 3/8"-16 x 3-7/16".

Torrie at www.fastpartsnetwork.com can get you many of the bolts.

More measurements of the water pump/timing cover bolts:

Here are some specs on the OEM fasteners, going clockwise looking at the
front of the engine, starting at the lower passenger side:

All threads are 5/16-18 pitch except for the stud portion of #6-9
which is 3/8-16

#1 Stud/Bolt, OAL 3-5/16, UHL 2.25
Bolt threaded 1", shank 1.25 (1 + 1.25 = 2.25" UHL)
Flange head .25", 5/16-18 stud thread = 13/16"
1 + 1.25 + .25 + 13/16 = 3-5/16" OAL
Drive size is 1/2"
Notes: This bolt/stud clamps the TCC to the block, retains the
timing tab,
and the stud retains the support bracket for the AIR pump,
accessory nut is 5/16-18, 1/2" drive (not a flange nut, but
could be)

#2 Stud/Bolt, OAL 3-1/16, UHL 2.25
Bolt threaded 1", shank 1 (1 + 1 = 2" UHL)
Flange head .25", 5/16-18 stud thread = 13/16"
1 + 1 + .25 + 13/16 = 3-1/16" OAL
Drive size is 1/2"
Notes: Same as #1, but the shank is .25" shorter. This bolt/stud
clamps the
TCC to the block, and retains the timing tab. Stud may be unused

#3 Bolt, OAL 4-1/16, UHL 3-7/8
Bolt threaded 1", shank 2-7/8 (1 + 2/7/8 = 3-7/8" UHL)
Standard head 3/16"
1 + 2-7/8 + 3/16 = 4-1/16" OAL
Drive size is 5/8"
Notes: Clamps water pump to TCC and TCC to block

#4 Same as #3

#5 Bolt, OAL 2-7/8, UHL 2-11/16
Bolt threaded 1", shank 1-11/16 (1 + 1-11/16 = 2-11/16" UHL)
Standard head 3/16"
1 + 1-11/16 + 3/16 = 2-7/8" OAL
Drive size is 5/8"
Notes: Clamps water pump to TCC

#6 Stud/Bolt, OAL 3-7/16, UHL 1-15/16
Bolt threaded 1", shank 15/16 (1 + 15/16 = 1-15/16" UHL)
Standard head 3/16", 3/8-16 stud thread = 1-5/16"
1 + 15/16 +3/16 + 1-5/16 = 3-7/16" OAL
Drive size is 5/8"
Notes: Stud retains accessory, accessory flange nut is 3/8-16,
9/16 drive
Clamps water pump to TCC

#7 Same as #6

#8 Stud/Bolt, OAL 5-5/16, UHL 5-1/16
Bolt threaded 1", shank 2-7/8 (1 + 2-7/8 = 3-7/8" UHL)
Standard head 3/16", 3/8-16 stud thread = 1-1/4"
1 + 2-7/8 +3/16 + 1-1/4 = 5-5/16" OAL
Drive size is 5/8"
Notes: Stud retains accessory, accessory flange nut is 3/8-16,
9/16 drive
Clamps water pump to TCC and TCC to block

#9 Stud/Bolt, OAL 6-1/2, UHL 5-1/16
Bolt threaded 7/8", shank 4-3/16 (7/8 + 4-3/16 = 5-1/16" UHL)
Standard head 3/16", 3/8-16 stud thread = 1-1/4"
7/8 + 4-3/16 + 3/16 + 1-1/4 = 6-1/2" OAL
Drive size is 5/8"
Notes: Stud retains accessory, accessory flange nut is 3/8-16,
9/16 drive
Clamps water pump to TCC and TCC to block

#10 Bolt, OAL 2-1/4, UHL 2
Bolt threaded 1", shank 1 (1 + 1 = 2" UHL)
Flange head 1/4"
1 + 1 + 1/4 = 2-1/4" OAL
Drive size is 1/2"
Notes: Clamps TCC to block

#11 Same as #10

#12 Bolt, OAL 1-1/8, UHL 7/8
Bolt threaded 7/8", no shank (7/8 + 0* = 7/8" UHL)
Flange head 1/4"
7/8 + 1/4 = 1-1/8" OAL
Drive size is 1/2"
Notes: Clamps TCC to block (top, near intake)

#13 Same as #12

Ford studs use 5/16” on the engine side and 3/8” studs on the accessory side.

From Helmut Roner for timing cover/water pump bolts for no p/s and no a/c:

Lowes Hardware:

One 5/16 x 5½ inch @ $.47, Item # 55819.
Six 5/16 x 2 inch @ $.16 each, Item # 63319.
Three 5/16 x 4 inch @ $.28 each, Item # 63322
One 5/16 x ? inch @ $. , Item # ?????

The last one I typed I don't have, yet. It should be 2-3/4 to 3 inches long. I bought a 2½ and not much of the threads go far enough into the timing cover. It's for the bolt hole that is between the two water ports on the upper left of the water pump. I'll have that info later tomorrow.

The bolts for the water pump pulley to be used without a belt-driven fan are 5/16 x 3/4 24-thread. The two rearmost cover bolts which bolt the cover to the block (not shown) are 5/16 x 3/4 inch. I am scavenging those from an ARP bolt kit that I have which can't be used with late model timing covers. Only a few from the kit could be used as the kit was designed for older model 289/302/351W timing covers.

Good Luck
 

93 LX

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well i need the studs since this is a stock engine with AC, kinda need that in so cal! LOL

Allen
 
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company called windsor fox sells the whole kit and proper studs to reatin your ac and ps brackets..
 
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Tstang90 said:
company called windsor fox sells the whole kit and proper studs to reatin your ac and ps brackets..
Click to expand...

They are out of business Windsor-Fox Engineering if that is who you are referring to
 
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Tstang90

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yea i believe that was them. I thought i saw there ad in the back of the 50 mag recently though. Sorry.
I heard Autozone sells these in reg grade bolts if ya need fresh ones
 
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+1 on totally stainless those guys are very helpful and can put together about anything you want. That is about the only fastner company I have used on my project.

T3
 

4G-KDMP

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1 more vote for totally stainless after looking at there site.
 

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Yeah, Windsor Fox is Out of Business. But if you saw them recently advertising in a mag please see if theres a phone number or address and pm me? They owe me $250.00 and a complete 90 fox wiring harness!!
 

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tbovee said:
Yeah, Windsor Fox is Out of Business. But if you saw them recently advertising in a mag please see if theres a phone number or address and pm me? They owe me $250.00 and a complete 90 fox wiring harness!!
Click to expand...

Good luck! How did you pay for it? I don't think they have advertized lately. April 06 I finally decided to bite the bullit & pay $95.00 for the water pump bolts. They finally stopped responded to email, phone calls etc., website went down later in the year. I finally cancelled my cashiers check to get my money back.

Lems
 
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