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Weird charging issue

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SMOKEDYA

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Ok on my 89 it has the 3G conversion,and battery is in the trunk.I dont drive it often.So i have noticed that when i drive it the gauge reads fine (1/2 way) but then sometimes when i go to start it it cranks over very slow almost to where it barly barly starts, like the rrr......rrr.....rrr then it fires.The gauge reads good still and alls fine.This usually happens after i drive it.If it sits for a few hours or more it starts just fine.Any ideas?It is a new battery but since it sits for periods at a time between driving it could the battery just be dead?But then that dosent make sence cause if it sits it usually starts fine!Just when i do drive it it cranks over very slowly!BUT also like i said the gauge reads fine,even though it cranks very slowly.........Now another question diffrent stang.It's my DD 4 banger.I washed under the hood yesturday,well now the gauge reads low volts.The lights are as normal,it starts as normal everything electrical is as normal.Plus the stock alt is less then a year old!It has never done this untill i washed under the hood.So could it be just water got in somewhere?I'm gonna give it a few days and see how it goes.peace









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90stang5speed

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I would take the bat to autozone or some where just to have it checked. If you have headers it might be heat soak that is effecting the starter. I think there is a no start/ hard start check list on the forum that you could trouble shoot with. check all your wires & bat terms to be sure they are tight & free of corosion. Im sure some of the Gurus on here will have more tips.
 

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I also have an 89 with the 3g and the battery in the trunk, had the same problems.

When you're running that long positive cable, you're going to have to maintain your charging system more than most. On top of that, you're only cranking it and driving it periodically (something else I do).

Any corroded or dirty connectoin is going to show itself with a cable run that long. Last time your exact problem came to my car, it was that long cable at the solenoid. I unbolted all those connections there, cleaned them all with a wire brush, and viola, the problem was gone. In other words, clean all your connections, both battery cables at both ends, starter, solenoid, and all your grounds.

I also bought a good Red Top and I disconnect the battery inbetween uses. I have those quick disconnects, takes 5 seconds to reconnect.
 

Kdubslugga

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Ground the starter to the K member. Exact same thing happened to me after i did the battery relocation and 3g upgrade. I couldnt figure it out, I sent it to a shop they grounded the starter to the k member using a 2 guage wire. And ive never had a problem since. I dunno may work fo ya?
 

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Rear mounted battery ground wiring. Follow this plan and you will have zero
ground problems.


One 1 gauge or 1/0 gauge wire from battery negative post to a clean shiny spot
on the chassis near the battery. Use a 5/16” bolt and bolt it down to make the
rear ground. Use a 1 gauge or 1/0 gauge wire from the rear ground bolt to a clean
shiny spot on the block.

One 4 gauge wire from the block where you connected the battery ground wire to
the chassis ground where the battery was mounted up front. Use a 5/16” bolt
and bolt down the 4 gauge engine to chassis ground, make sure that it the metal
around the bolt is clean & shiny. This is the alternator power ground.




The computer has a dedicated power ground wire with a cylindrical quick connect
(about 2 ½”long by 1” diameter. It comes out of the wiring harness near the
ignition coil & starter solenoid (or relay). Be sure to bolt it to the chassis ground
in the same place as you bolted the alternator power ground. This is an
absolute don’t overlook it item for EFI cars

Note: The quick disconnect may have fallen victim to damage or removal by
a previous owner. However, it is still of utmost importance that the black/green
wires have a high quality ground..

Picture courtesy timewarped1972


Crimp or even better, solder the lugs on the all the wire. The local auto stereo
shop will have them if the auto parts store doesn't. Use some heat shrink tubing
to cover the lugs and make things look nice.


For a battery cut off switch, see Moroso : Category Display
is the switch http://www.moroso.com/catalog/images/74102_inst.pdf is the installation instructions.
Use the super duty switch and the following tech note to wire it and you will
be good to go.

Use the Moroso plan for the alternator wiring and you risk a fire. The 10 gauge wire they recommend is even less adequate that the stock Mustang wiring.

There is a solution, but it will require about 40' of 18 gauge green wire.

Wire the battery to the two 1/2" posts as shown in the diagram.

The alternator requires a different approach. On the small alternator plug there is a green wire. It is the sense lead that turns the regulator on when the ignition switch is in the run position. Cut the green wire and solder the 40' of green wire between the two pieces. Use some heat shrink to cover the splices. See Ford Fuel Injection » How To Solder Like a Pro for some excellent help on soldering & using heat shrink tubing.

Run the green wire back to the Moroso switch and cut off the excess wire. Try to run the green wire inside the car and protect it from getting cut or chaffed. Crimp a 18 gauge ring terminal (red is 18 gauge color code for the crimp on terminals) on each wire. Bolt one ring terminal to each of the 3/16" studs. Do not add the jumper between the 1/2" stud and the 3/16" stud as shown it the
Moroso diagram.

How it works:
The green wire is the ignition on sense feed to the regulator. It supplies a turn on signal to the regulator when the ignition switch is in the Run position. Turn the Moroso switch to off, and the sense voltage goes away, the voltage regulator shuts off and the alternator quits making power.

The fuse & wiring in the following diagram are for a 3G alternator. The stock alternator uses a dark green fuse link wire that connects to 2 black/orange wires. Always leave them connected to the starter solenoid even if you have a 3G alternator.



See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring
Mustang FAQ - Wiring & Engine Info Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg
 

SMOKEDYA

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Stever89 said:
I also have an 89 with the 3g and the battery in the trunk, had the same problems.

When you're running that long positive cable, you're going to have to maintain your charging system more than most. On top of that, you're only cranking it and driving it periodically (something else I do).

Any corroded or dirty connectoin is going to show itself with a cable run that long. Last time your exact problem came to my car, it was that long cable at the solenoid. I unbolted all those connections there, cleaned them all with a wire brush, and viola, the problem was gone. In other words, clean all your connections, both battery cables at both ends, starter, solenoid, and all your grounds.

I also bought a good Red Top and I disconnect the battery inbetween uses. I have those quick disconnects, takes 5 seconds to reconnect.
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Well i'll double check all those thanks! As for the rde top optima?I will never buy another one of those POS!I had one when i got an old car,battery was 6 months old and took it in and had 3 dead cells out of 6.

Kdubslugga said:
Ground the starter to the K member. Exact same thing happened to me after i did the battery relocation and 3g upgrade. I couldnt figure it out, I sent it to a shop they grounded the starter to the k member using a 2 guage wire. And ive never had a problem since. I dunno may work fo ya?
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The starter to the K member????I only have 1 wire on my starter,but there is 2 prongs.

90stang5speed said:
I would take the bat to autozone or some where just to have it checked. If you have headers it might be heat soak that is effecting the starter. I think there is a no start/ hard start check list on the forum that you could trouble shoot with. check all your wires & bat terms to be sure they are tight & free of corosion. Im sure some of the Gurus on here will have more tips.
Click to expand...

My car is turbo,i have the DP and majority of the hotside wraped plus a turbo blanket,so it could be soaked still?It did this even when it was N/A and i had L/T's then.


jrichker thanks for the diagram!I want to research more before i go and drop another $50+ on more wire.One question is i have the battery grounded where the bolt for the quad shock was that should be good enough correct?Yes it is cleaned to bare metal. thanks for all the help guys!anyone else???peace











john
 
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