What do i need to beat a 2008 Zo6?

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You mind rephrasing that last part? Z06s are cool, but my fox would eat a factory Z06 for lunch down low or all the way through the top end.

500rwhp would be enough to tear up a Z06 up top.

I'm talking more than the 1/4 mile. I have one that should beat a Z06 in the 1/4 as well. The ZR1s are beast at that 100mph though. I raced one in my GTO and he didn't beat me that bad. I was close with him for a 3 to 4 seconds then he was gone.
 
You will need over 500 whp. The Z06 stock is 505 h.p. Plus it weighs just over 3,000 lbs. So the power to weight is tough to beat. The only cars that can beat a stock Z06 cost at least twice as much. Bang for the buck the Z06 is THE BEST performance car on the market. Period. No that does not mean that you cannot modify your car and go faster for less money. But you cannot find another faster bone stock car for the $$. So if you can make over 500 whp. chances are you will be changing rear diff, transmission, suspension and brakes as well. It can be done, it has been done, it is just going to cost you. And when your done the Z06 will get better gas mileage, so even if your faster, it still beats you in other ways.

You can get close with steedas Q500
 
rumor has it that a guy around here on a stock block, stock internals, stock e7 heads *untouched* is deep DEEEEEEEEEEEP into the tens... pump gas motor too. just fabbed up a turbo kit and he was in business.. don't get me wrong, he's on his second block.. but still... he's definitely seeing some impressive numbers.


forced induction is a beautiful thing.
 
I'm talking more than the 1/4 mile. I have one that should beat a Z06 in the 1/4 as well. The ZR1s are beast at that 100mph though. I raced one in my GTO and he didn't beat me that bad. I was close with him for a 3 to 4 seconds then he was gone.

They may be a beast....but a ~500rwhp fox should still eat one up top until it runs out of gear. There is nothing magical about how hard they pull up top. If you put the power down and have a good power to weight ratio....it's not hard. Comparing the trap speeds in the 1/4 mile is a good way to determine how one would fare.

Again, according this website The C6 Z06 Fast List - Corvette Forum , your "average" c6 ZR1 traps ~124mph. Anything close to 130mph traps should be enough to walk one up top.
 
Buy a boss long block from ford...around 350hp and solid, add a good supercharger or turbo with decent boost and your in the 5 to 600 hp range, piece together a good suspension kit, and wrap it up with a rear end and tranny to handle the power and stress....... that's oversimplified, but would run you less than 30/35 grand to do if you shop around for deals or good used parts and do all the work yourself. it's all about engine and suspension tuning once the hp numbers are close....so 30 grand plus the cost of the car = vette smoker.
 
Buy a boss long block from ford...around 350hp and solid, add a good supercharger or turbo with decent boost and your in the 5 to 600 hp range, piece together a good suspension kit, and wrap it up with a rear end and tranny to handle the power and stress....... that's oversimplified, but would run you less than 30/35 grand to do if you shop around for deals or good used parts and do all the work yourself. it's all about engine and suspension tuning once the hp numbers are close....so 30 grand plus the cost of the car = vette smoker.

Stock 5.0 mustang + turbo + 15lbs of boost = vette smoker.

Or,

Stock 5.0 mustang + H/C/I + 8lbs of boost = vette smoker.

Or,

101 other ways to smoke a ZR1.

It's not going to cost anywhere near 30/35 grand, even to do it reliably. Hell, it can be done reliably for less that 10-15K with used parts and some frugal shopping.

Of course...it can also be done cheaply with a used turbo setup pushing lot's of boost and using an FMU. You can leave the reliable part out of that equation all-together though. :D
 
The fastest one I've seen has gone 10.9xs @ 129 bone stock with stock run flat tires and a 1.77 60ft. Just a little piece of info.

You guys are right about it not being too difficult to beat a stock one in a h/c/i power adder fox. With a reasonably clean fox it would probably cost you $15k. BUT, He did say even if it's cammed. No one seems to want to touch that topic :)
 
rumor has it that a guy around here on a stock block, stock internals, stock e7 heads *untouched* is deep DEEEEEEEEEEEP into the tens... pump gas motor too. just fabbed up a turbo kit and he was in business.. don't get me wrong, he's on his second block.. but still... he's definitely seeing some impressive numbers.


forced induction is a beautiful thing.
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I have a bridge for sale too. You're talking about one of the NJR boys, aren't you.. I'll have my stock rebuild done in a month or 2 too..

PS.. I've heard he's actually in the 9's.. I'm waiting to see if a friend of mine wants to run him and then we'll have a good idea.
 
Stock 5.0 mustang + turbo + 15lbs of boost = vette smoker.

Or,

Stock 5.0 mustang + H/C/I + 8lbs of boost = vette smoker.

Or,

101 other ways to smoke a ZR1.

It's not going to cost anywhere near 30/35 grand, even to do it reliably. Hell, it can be done reliably for less that 10-15K with used parts and some frugal shopping.

Of course...it can also be done cheaply with a used turbo setup pushing lot's of boost and using an FMU. You can leave the reliable part out of that equation all-together though. :D

True...... don't steal my dreams though!:rlaugh:
 
The fastest one I've seen has gone 10.9xs @ 129 bone stock with stock run flat tires and a 1.77 60ft. Just a little piece of info.

You guys are right about it not being too difficult to beat a stock one in a h/c/i power adder fox. With a reasonably clean fox it would probably cost you $15k. BUT, He did say even if it's cammed. No one seems to want to touch that topic :)

No one?:shrug:
 
even if it's cammed a modded 5.0 with boost is gonna beat it for 1/4 of the price, with the added factor that you don't look like someone going through a midlife crisis! :nice:

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So instead of 500rwhp, it will take 550+rwhp to keep up with the average "cammed" c6 z06....which according to the link above runs a 10.901 @ 129.95 mph. Respectable? Hell yes...but FAR from unbeatable.
 
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So instead of 500rwhp, it will take 550+rwhp to keep up with the average "cammed" c6 zr1....which according to the link above runs a 10.901 @ 129.95 mph. Respectable? Hell yes...but FAR from unbeatable.

Stop saying ZR1, its Z06. A 550 rwhp fox is not going to smoke a C6 Z06 with a healthy cam. You guys make no sense. The guy was not talking about how it costs so much less to build a fox then buy a c6 Z the whole point is he wants to ruin a $85k car. Which I don't blame him, its nice wrecking things that you know cost way more then what you built. You would need $30k into a clean fox, including the at least $5,000 for the car. AT LEAST $5,000 for a real shortblock but chances are it would be more. Custom grind cam at least $300, good heads $1400+, intake $450+, rockers, lifters, pushrods, timing set not sure but a reasonable guess is $400 for quality parts, radiator $200+, water pump $75+, valve covers $100+, Quality turbo kit $3,000, ignition $500+, BS3, Acell 7+ etc, $1500+, chances are at least $500 in gauges, add a wideband for $300, Wheels and tires $1200+,Full suspension front and rear $2,000+, cage, torques boxes fixed up, subframe connectors Depends if you do it yourself but we'll figure around $2,000, fuel system $1,000+, harnesses $150+, $3,000 into a tranny setup atleast doesnt matter what you do, $200 driveshaft, $1200 into the rear, have the suspension setup $350+, $500 in tuning. That should all be around $27,600. Thats with a clean fox, I paid $5500 for mine and they go for more then that now, I only figured for $5000, and various other items are at least what I said, then you know you'd want new carpet fix various things in the interior as you went this far, maybe seats and the tons of other things I didn't mention that add up fast like fluids, spark plugs, belts, brakes etc. Even say $28,000 without buying pos junk parts that some A hole sells you on corral. Thats a far cry from $10-15k. It would have the potentional to do pretty much anything with these lame ass outdated 5.0's as gear banger would say.
 
Stop saying ZR1, its Z06. A 550 rwhp fox is not going to smoke a C6 Z06 with a healthy cam. You guys make no sense. The guy was not talking about how it costs so much less to build a fox then buy a c6 Z the whole point is he wants to ruin a $85k car. Which I don't blame him, its nice wrecking things that you know cost way more then what you built. You would need $30k into a clean fox, including the at least $5,000 for the car. AT LEAST $5,000 for a real shortblock but chances are it would be more. Custom grind cam at least $300, good heads $1400+, intake $450+, rockers, lifters, pushrods, timing set not sure but a reasonable guess is $400 for quality parts, radiator $200+, water pump $75+, valve covers $100+, Quality turbo kit $3,000, ignition $500+, BS3, Acell 7+ etc, $1500+, chances are at least $500 in gauges, add a wideband for $300, Wheels and tires $1200+,Full suspension front and rear $2,000+, cage, torques boxes fixed up, subframe connectors Depends if you do it yourself but we'll figure around $2,000, fuel system $1,000+, harnesses $150+, $3,000 into a tranny setup atleast doesnt matter what you do, $200 driveshaft, $1200 into the rear, have the suspension setup $350+, $500 in tuning. That should all be around $27,600. Thats with a clean fox, I paid $5500 for mine and they go for more then that now, I only figured for $5000, and various other items are at least what I said, then you know you'd want new carpet fix various things in the interior as you went this far, maybe seats and the tons of other things I didn't mention that add up fast like fluids, spark plugs, belts, brakes etc. Even say $28,000 without buying pos junk parts that some A hole sells you on corral. Thats a far cry from $10-15k. It would have the potentional to do pretty much anything with these lame ass outdated 5.0's as gear banger would say.

Fixed. :D

A 500rwhp fox is capable of turning ~130mph trap speeds...which is right on par what an average cammed z06 is going to run. Throw on another 50hp and walking one should not be a problem.

As for the costs....you are WAY OFF! $1000 in a fuel system? Please! A simple 255 in-tank pump with 42-60lb injectors will suffice for most people. Even buying the new, it's a far cry from $2000! Seriously, not only is most everything you mentioned FAR overpriced (e.g. $3000 tranny and $1200 rear end), but a lot of it is not even necessary!

129mph trap speeds is not difficult to achieve with a h/c/i mustang along with a low end $2500 turbo kit. If you buy used, obviously you can save a TON of money. If not, a simple $2500 TFS top end kit would more than suffice. A suspension is NOT a necessity, nor is a new rear end (gears alone would suffice). No need to replace the driveshaft either. Custom cam? Please! The stocker will do just fine! With a decent tune and some low rpm, an aftermarket block is not a necessity....especially if you have the means to swap out new ones when they let loose. Water pump? Not necessary! With the exception of the rear tires, neither is the wheel/tire setup.

In all reality, all it would take to beat a z06 on the freeway from a roll would be a decent h/c/i top end kit, 42-60lb injectors & MAF meter, HP255 fuel pump and your choice of nitrous, super or turbocharger pushing the appropriate amount of boost. In the case of the turbo, 12lbs should be MORE than sufficient to make 550+rwhp....which is all that's going to be needed to walk away.

Of course, there are always those that can run similar times utilizing a stock 5.0 longblock...some extra boost and a decent amount of weight reduction.
 
Sorry I like to do things the correct way, yes turbo cars live at 550 rwhp for a while but not forever and I think rependablity has been mentioned in this thread. TKO 600+ scattershield+clutch, quadrant, cable etc, may be a little less then $3,000 sorry. So your going to roll around in a 550 rwhp fox with stock axles and sticky tires? Good thinking, I guess its cheaper to fix a car when the axle comes out and smashes up instead of doing it correct the first time. Oh yea, you need C clip elims at the track anyways because the fact this is stangnet it all has to be at the track. $1000 for a fuel system is pretty reasonable to me to do things the right way. I guess you'd just reuse the stock water pump?? Generally when you have things down that far you change maintenance items. Why would you keep throwing a bandaid on the problem by putting more stock blocks in the car? Don't you think that would add up? I know I wish I did aftermarket the first time. No suspension? So your gonna be cutting some killer 1.4's with NOTHING? Yea I don't think so. Need at least upper and lowers in the rear and struts up front then comes in the weight factor. The Z06 weighs 3k. Fox depending on what model is 3100-3400 about. Say you have a 3k lbs coupe. You add a turbo kit and a cage, track legal remember? Put you at least at 3100. So you have a car that weighs more, makes less power and the fox is going to beat it and be reliable? That makes no sense. And no, I am not bashing foxes or ford its just the truth.


Remember you keep saying CAMMED Z06 NOT a stock one.
 
Seriously, not only is most everything you mentioned FAR overpriced (e.g. $3000 tranny and $1200 rear end), but a lot of it is not even necessary!

A new TKO 600 and everything to get it up and running is $2500+.

This thread is just old now and going nowhere. The arguments are going in circles. A cut corners modified Mustang will out-run a ZO6, but ride, reliablity, and quality are out the window. To do it right is gonna cost a lot of money. Argument solved.
 
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