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what do I need to get this to pass smog?

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fuzymealchosen1

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its got long tube headers. an h pipe that has no cats at all, and flow master mufflers.

im in southern california and i need to get this legal to pass smog , and im just wondering what i would need to do to make this pass smog.

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get cats...

and pray?
 

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get cats...

and pray?
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haha what about the visual inspection?
 

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im from norcal and up here my 92 passed smug with the stock h-pipe and 2 chamber flows with dumps so my guess is yeah you need to have at least 2 cats to pass the sniffer and visual. make sure your timing is set to 10 degrees and drive your car for a while to warm up the cats, also you can use additives in your gas tank. andyou can avoid complications by having a pre-test done so they dont send the actual smog test results to dmv in case it dont pass and good luck trying to pass the visual with longtubes unless the yare carb legal they prob arent tho you can try to find a place that doesnt really care about the visual and only cares about the sniffer test witch you still need cats to pass.
 

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im from norcal and up here my 92 passed smug with the stock h-pipe and 2 chamber flows with dumps so my guess is yeah you need to have at least 2 cats to pass the sniffer and visual. make sure your timing is set to 10 degrees and drive your car for a while to warm up the cats, also you can use additives in your gas tank. andyou can avoid complications by having a pre-test done so they dont send the actual smog test results to dmv in case it dont pass
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ok thanks, um im new. what is "with dumps" sorry
 

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welcome to the site! is this your first stang? its ok "dumps" or "turn downs" are typically on race cars that cannot use tailpipes or dont have enough clearance for them, they are short pipes welded on after the mufflers that curve down and are pointed directly to the ground about 7-8 or so inches in length i dont think the dumps were smog legal but they passed so i guess they are. i dont think long tubes are tho. try to do a google search for long tubes and ca smog
 

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How to pass emissions testing:

High NO - high combustion temps - retard timing, check EGR for operation.
High CO – Rich condition - fuel pressure too high, check O2 sensors, replace air filter, Clean MAF element.
High HC – Lean misfire, vacuum leak, common misfire due to worn or weak ignition system components. On rare occasions, an overly rich mixture may be the cause. Do the ethanol/E85 fill up as suggested.
High CO & HC - Cat converters, smog pump, and smog pump controls.

How to pass emissions testing:

1.) Make sure all the emissions gear the car was made with is present and connected up properly. That includes a working smog pump and cats. The smog tech will do a visual check to make sure that all the original equipment is present and connected up.

2.) Make sure that you have fresh tune up with spark plugs, plug wires, cap, rotor, fuel & air filters. An oil & filter change is a good idea while you are at it.

3.) Dumping The computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 19-May-2009 to update drawing for dumping the codes on 86-88 Mustangs with no check engine light.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/p-7208-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx– It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.


4.) Post the codes and get help to fix them. Don’t try to pass with codes not fixed. Clearing the computer just temporarily removes them from memory, it doesn’t fix the problem that caused the code to be set.

5.) Be sure to do the testing on a hot engine. Drive for 15-20 minutes prior to taking the test to get operating temps up into the normal range. Do not shut off the engine while waiting for your turn on the test machine. An engine up to full operating temperature puts out fewer emissions.
 

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will1992 said:
welcome to the site! is this your first stang? its ok "dumps" or "turn downs" are typically on race cars that cannot use tailpipes or dont have enough clearance for them, they are short pipes welded on after the mufflers that curve down and are pointed directly to the ground about 7-8 or so inches in length i dont think the dumps were smog legal but they passed so i guess they are. i dont think long tubes are tho. try to do a google search for long tubes and ca smog
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thanks! its my 1st car

ohh ok, right now i dont even have tailpipes.

i tried doing a search, somebody told me that the longtube headers wouldnt pass the visual cuz it needed the stock h pipe.


i was thinking of just getting all stock stuff, and getting it smogged then putting it back, but i kinda dont want to deal with the egr. and that weird smog ball thing.

thanks other guy im gunna read that in a sec.
 

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If they are strict about it then the longtubes are going to have to come off, no longtube header is CARB legal
 

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90lxcoupe said:
If they are strict about it then the longtubes are going to have to come off, no longtube header is CARB legal
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hm ok, is 20 bucks a good deal for 2 stock headers?
 

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Thats not terrible, but dont know if you have to use the stock hardware for the stock headers, that might be a mission to find
 

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if u get the stock headers then yeah you probably will pass. you just need to have all your smog stuff hooked up mainly the thermactor pipe that goes to the h-pipe and egr is important for it to pass visual. what smog ball thing are you talking about? where is it mounted?
 

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90lxcoupe said:
If they are strict about it then the longtubes are going to have to come off, no longtube header is CARB legal
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Yeah long tubes will NOT pass here in cali no matter what you do
 

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hm its gunna end up being really expensive for cats and stuff
 

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did you try checking the classified ads? for a used stock h-pipe. you can try corral.net classified ads for parts and find one for dirt cheap
 

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did you try checking the classified ads? for a used stock h-pipe. you can try corral.net classified ads for parts and find one for dirt cheap
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yup, i gave away at least 3 stock h pipes and stock headers so im sure you can find them
 

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For the record I've passed with LT's twice at two different "smog only" stations in L.A. They never even questioned it. I have cats and all other smog/egr parts are in place.
 

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For the record I've passed with LT's twice at two different "smog only" stations in L.A. They never even questioned it. I have cats and all other smog/egr parts are in place.
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hmmm you might have a one off car, cause ive never had LT's pass on any of my 5.0's
 

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hmmm you might have a one off car, cause ive never had LT's pass on any of my 5.0's
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This was with the '90 in my sig. I think they were more concerned with the main smog parts being in place. Plus, I passed the sniffer pretty well within range.
 

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ill advised said:
For the record I've passed with LT's twice at two different "smog only" stations in L.A. They never even questioned it. I have cats and all other smog/egr parts are in place.
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i thought the long tube headers wont fit the upper cats?
 
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