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Low 9s on a stock block? Does he hold the national record? I know of several people running high 9s but the fastest i have seen is 9.58 i believe! When you say low 9s i take that you are implying 9.0-9.30s?
All I was saying was some do not split the block. My friend's car was low 9's and never split the block. Yes, it's better to BUY AN AFTERMARKET BLOCK.
maybe you should look at my sigIm trying to keep people from wasting the money i wasted! Some of you still are not understanding the concept that you dont need HCI to get the power that the block is limited to!
The problem with using the stock longblock is it's going to take more boost to achieve the same numbers compared to a h/c/i + boost setup. The stock heads have a very thin deck and are prone to lifting under higher boost levels. Those higher boost levels will also create more heat, which will require something to cool it down.
In the end, a h/c/i + boost setup running 450rwhp is going to be more reliable than a stock boosted longblock setup running 450rwhp.
Lets not forget that there are many running around with block splitting horsepower that have yet to split the block. There are also plenty that have split the block and done no damage to the cyl heads.
Uprgrading the heads, intake and valvetrain is not pointless...and can atually aid the reliability of the combo.
1. yes i know, MINE IS ONE OF THEM
2. Your statements still dont disreguard the fact that a turbo alone will push a car as far as you want as far as power is concerned and wont cost as much money as a hci /turbo car! Its more of a money risk to stack a 1200 dollar set of heads on a ticking time bomb! Reguardless if the heads are on there or not, its just a matter of time! I would rather have the 1200 in my bank account than sitting on top of a ticking grenade!
the blower will eventually exceed the stock blocks limits so.....No sense in having the block split and potentially have a rod let go taking out a nice set of cylinder heads
The above shows that im not implying that the heads will 100% of the time be a loss
Perhaps not, but your wording in previous posts imply that it will happen a majoity of the time. From everything that I have seen/heard, it's far less common than you are making it sound.
Alot of times from what I have seen the heads do get damaged but like you said most times they can be repaired. Its a toss up but my vote is still for stock long block/turbo. Even 400 rwhp or something is pretty nasty, will keep the boost down and would be reliable.
I pretty agree with everything millhouse has posted above.
Especially the part about the stock heads lifting.
Blow a HG without knowing it, and the coolant washes out the rings and all you have left is a pile of junk that burns 3 quarts of oil every time you get into the boost.
Its more reliable to have a car that makes maximum NA power with minimal boost, than it is to have a car that makes all it's power with boost.
I'd rather make 400rwhp with 4lbs than 400rwhp with 17lbs.
And bentely, a turbo or SC on a stock short block typically produces low 12's correct?So can a HCI setup.
I pretty agree with everything millhouse has posted above.
Especially the part about the stock heads lifting.
Blow a HG without knowing it, and the coolant washes out the rings and all you have left is a pile of junk that burns 3 quarts of oil every time you get into the boost.
Its more reliable to have a car that makes maximum NA power with the addition of minimal boost, than it is to have a car that makes all it's power with boost.
I'd rather make 400rwhp with 4lbs than 400rwhp with 17lbs.
Boost kills HG's, that's not a myth. Blame it on whatever you want, tune, old gaskets, bad install, doesn't matter, it still happens.
And bentely, a turbo or SC on a stock short block typically produces low 12's correct?
So can a HCI setup.
Studs and decent gaskets will deff help clear up the HG problem. Who needs 17 psi to make 400 rwhp with a turbo? Try 10... This guy said he had about 3k saved up, granted my way would be about 4k but looks like your now on option "D"? h/c/i and boost? That would be what? $6500 or so?
To the last comment towards me, incorrect. Why dont you take a wander over to turbomustangs....
try, as fast as you want until the block splits! Like i said i know several people in the 9s on 12lbs of boost! If you are so dead set on the head gasket lifting, bye some head studs (should be running anyway on any type of forced induction) Or you could even have the heads o-ringed!
FYI, head studs do not cure the stock heads thin deck. They certainly can help, but a thin deck is a thin deck is a thin deck. It takes some effort to keep them nice and tight for higher boost levels....so much to the point that chances are, they wont blow at all. I myself prefer the method of using a gasket as a fuse.
You are right but you shouldnt need to worry about that at low boost such as 8-10 psi.
That's great...however they are not running 9's @ 12lbs on a stock longblock. They guys that are doing such are running 17+lbs...and are certainly not doing so on a street tune and without the aid of racing fuel and meth injection.
FYI, head studs do not cure the stock heads thin deck. They certainly can help, but a thin deck is a thin deck is a thin deck. It takes some effort to keep them nice and tight for higher boost levels....so much to the point that chances are, they wont blow at all. I myself prefer the method of using a gasket as a fuse.
WRONG! They are running 101 octance through a stock long block! Only mods are tfs1 cam, and ported heads! Through an AOD non the less!
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