Who wants to hear the weirdest Mustang story ever?

astronut1885

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This is copied from a thread in the tech forum I started. Here's a little background info: My car is as seen in the siggy, more or less stock for the driveline. I got generic SCT tunes for the 3 octanes put on my XCALII for a little more fun before my blower install. 93 tune on 93 gas always pinged bad, no matter what I tried to do with the settings. So I was running my 91 tune with 93 gas, and it didn't ping, but it felt no better than stock. So I've been messing with it lately, trying to get it to work.

So... who's ready for the weird story??

Anyway, I'm out in the car, playing with the tune and beating the snot out of it on back roads to see if it will ping. And it always did. no matter what. I called my local shop (who loaded the generic tunes) and he said that my stock gears weren't helping because they made the lag and load on the motor worse. He also said my CAI could be leaning out the motor just a tad, but enough to screw up a high-po tune. Sounds reasonable to me. But I figured that for the immediate time, I still needed the car to run, and preferably strong. I took another blast on another set of adjustments, and noticed a boatload of white smoke coming out behind the car. I thought I was toast, like a blown head gasket. I get home, and there's lots of tranny fluid under the car, and the drain plug in the bottom is backed out like 3/4 of the way. Since I had no idea how much fluid was left, and since I had never done one in the year I've had the car, I did a fluid change with Mobil 1 synthetic Mercon. Now, here's where it gets weird. I took the car out, no pinging. And it felt a crapload more responsive and fast. I turned the timing back to what the tune was supposed to be set at, in all RPM bands, and no ping. Reduced the WOT fuel richness to it's proper setting, and still no ping. My car is like a freak now. Sounds bad, has more zip than ever, and I don't think I did a thing. Only thing I can possibly guess at is that the tranny fluid was old and had minimal viscosity left, which is why it was getting so hot it was blowing around the drain plug ( the tranny was hot and there was foamy tranny fluid under the shifter too). After enough either cooked or left, the tranny wasn't getting lubed, and was basically getting bind and hosing up my whole driveline. I know this sounds completely nuts, but it's all I got. Timing/fuel problem gone after a tranny fluid change...? :jaw:

I wonder what other problems I could solve, or gains I could make, if I say... change my coolant or my diff fluid lol? I'm plain confused by this.
 
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That defy's car logic laws right there.

It sounds like that trans should have siezed, or he should have burned a hole in a, or muliple pistons before he had his miracle fix.

Built Ford Tough I guess...

But honestly, that guy isnt too bright. No offense to him, but dont "beat" on your car when it is constantly pinging. Re-load the stock tune and drive with 10 less HP before you cause major damage.
 
5L5: Could have been, there was still silicone perfectly on the plug threads that were sticking out, like it was never really torqued in there. And the shifting is SMOOOOOOTH. Considering I went from a shot 150k mile T5 to a 29k mile TR3650 I was already impressed, it just got really smooth. Almost too smooth for me, as I like a notchier shift. I have a Tri-Ax on there, and it's like butter. It took about 30 minutes to do it. I had the car on ramps looking for the leak anyway, but it's one plug, drain and replace. Remove the shifter bezel area, pull the shifter boot and then the shifter. 3 4/5 quarts of your preferred Mercon down the hole, a nice ring of blue RTV around the top edge, and then bolt the shifter back on, reassemble, and enjoy. I bought the top dollar synthetic stuff mostly because I had 20.00 on my Autozone rewards card. It was like 650 a quart or something. Not necessary, but nice knowing it's in there.
 
That defy's car logic laws right there.

It sounds like that trans should have siezed, or he should have burned a hole in a, or muliple pistons before he had his miracle fix.

Built Ford Tough I guess...

But honestly, that guy isnt too bright. No offense to him, but dont "beat" on your car when it is constantly pinging. Re-load the stock tune and drive with 10 less HP before you cause major damage.

Dude, I built small block H/C/I'd 302 with hand tools from start to finish and then beat the piss out of it for years tuning with the distributor, a timing light, and a fuel pressure regulator and how I felt/smelled the car respond. I have more than enough clue as to what I am doing under the hood. There was no severe pinging, nothing that would have even remotely gotten to the point of damage. I was lifting out of the throttle as soon as I heard it coming on. And I had no clue the tranny was hurting until I found the problem by spotting the smoke. And I'm glad I was lucky enough to find it before I blew the gearbox. I don't need that problem in my life.
 
Dude, I built small block H/C/I'd 302 with hand tools from start to finish and then beat the piss out of it for years tuning with the distributor, a timing light, and a fuel pressure regulator and how I felt/smelled the car respond. I have more than enough clue as to what I am doing under the hood. There was no severe pinging, nothing that would have even remotely gotten to the point of damage. I was lifting out of the throttle as soon as I heard it coming on. And I had no clue the tranny was hurting until I found the problem by spotting the smoke. And I'm glad I was lucky enough to find it before I blew the gearbox. I don't need that problem in my life.


My bad man, I didnt even know this post was about your car... thought it was someone elses.

Thats pretty bad ass though, im not knocking you or your skills in any way. I just mis-interpreted the part about the car pinging though. Takes some brains to tune a car like that, not many of us that could do it like that and have it running right.

What I got out of it was it was pinging badly, and you kept beating on the car knowing it was pinging really bad and not giving it a break.

Thats why I had said it would be good to reload the stock tune and wait to get the problem fixed instead of driving it like it was.

Its not your fault about the tranny, glad you caught it in time before things got worse, and for some reason I thought it was an automatic... which is part of the reason I was so baffled it didnt just sieze.

Didnt mean to come off like an ass man, its my fault for mis-understanding...:nice:
 
It's cool. To me, a few little crackles is 'pinging like a mofo' so it may have come off worse. And I was sure as hell not going to try and drive through it. As soon as it came on, I came off. I just get how all this works together to run properly. Problem is, these cars are borderline proprietary in how you tune 'em. At a dyno shop, with a purchased tuner. My old 87, I'd tune it to the seasons. Turn the dizzy to set timing, turn the fuel pressure up to match the timing, clean the air filter, and go. As it got cooler, I could run more timing and fuel. I always looked forward to fall lol. My SCT however, only gives me a few things, like reducing timing to avoid detonation, and richening up the WOT fuel ratio, which is not really an issue here. I had literally pulled 8* from 1-2k rpm, 2* from 2-4k rpm, and 6* from 4-8k rpm to get it to stop pinging, and that was simply by using myself as a datalogger and just running the car and testing it. But it was sluggish, and smelled rich, so I knew I was still off. I just wasn't going to pay for a dyno tune since I'm installing my roots blower soon and will need a full tune at that time. I was shocked as shyt when I got in the car after changing the tranny fluid ( at the time, I thought I had just simply avoided a crisis lol) to find no ping. I was like a kid on christmas when I put all the timing back in it, leaned it down, and it still took off like a rocket. This whole story was more of a "look what bad tranny fluid can do, and how I discovered it" thread.


NO MUSTANGS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS CRAP. :nice:
 
5L5: Could have been, there was still silicone perfectly on the plug threads that were sticking out, like it was never really torqued in there. And the shifting is SMOOOOOOTH. Considering I went from a shot 150k mile T5 to a 29k mile TR3650 I was already impressed, it just got really smooth. Almost too smooth for me, as I like a notchier shift. I have a Tri-Ax on there, and it's like butter. It took about 30 minutes to do it. I had the car on ramps looking for the leak anyway, but it's one plug, drain and replace. Remove the shifter bezel area, pull the shifter boot and then the shifter. 3 4/5 quarts of your preferred Mercon down the hole, a nice ring of blue RTV around the top edge, and then bolt the shifter back on, reassemble, and enjoy. I bought the top dollar synthetic stuff mostly because I had 20.00 on my Autozone rewards card. It was like 650 a quart or something. Not necessary, but nice knowing it's in there.

i'll have to do it soon then. I've changed every other fluid in the car..only the trans is left and i've held off so long because of the issues with the 3650. Mine shifts perfect and as the old saying goes "If it ain't broke...don't fix it"
 
You know what's kinda funny though? I'm half asleep over here, and even I noticed that the three people who replied before BR just replied to me, like they knew it was my story, and he thought this was one of those "look at this dumbass" or "check this ugly poor mustang on Ebay" threads regardless.:doh: :Teh-Win: :jester: :D
 
I believe you mang :nice:

I changed my blinker fluid the other day and the car turns way better now :)

JK :D weird thing but ive seen weirder.
 
Honestly, I was going to keep letting it slide too. It's not something you think about, like diff fluid. Who really changes that regularly on here? It smells like crap, I hate it, and thats all the more reason it doesn't get done. Which is why when I get my 373s in next month, I'm paying a little more for more top dollar fluids. I figure I might as well, because that thing is going to need all the help it can get, and it won't come from me lol.