why is car popping out of gear!?!

[billbraskey]

cant get my car to stop popping out of first gear EVERYTIME i try and start off it pops out.. i have to put it back in....then is hard as hell to get to second .. its driving me nuts....
about a month ago the part that goes into the bell houseing and hooks to the cable somehow bent and snaped part of .... hsnt been the same since.. not sure what the problem is .. cant seem to get clutch adjusted right...( i did replace that part with new one) clutch has not been the same since... i changed fluid as well.. wich i neeed to check .. maybe it all leaked out?... need some help...
p.s ..85 gt stock t-5 155k on tranny.. 10.5 clutch bbk cable/quadrent i beleive...

 

[mustangmike6996]

it is most likely the teeth on the blocker rings for the syncros having burrs on them... the second most likely cause is a bent shift arm/fork. make sure the fluid is topped off and see if there is any particulate matter suspended in the fluid as well... some debris is normal

let us know what you find.

 

[Mustang5L5]

about a month ago the part that goes into the bell houseing and hooks to the cable somehow bent and snaped part of .... hsnt been the same since.. not sure what the problem is .. cant seem to get clutch adjusted right beleive...

The clutch fork bent and snapped???



You might wanna fix that then

 

[smallstang393]

I thought the slider rings are what made them pop out not syncro's
not 100% tho

 

[billbraskey]

it is most likely the teeth on the blocker rings for the syncros having burrs on them... the second most likely cause is a bent shift arm/fork. make sure the fluid is topped off and see if there is any particulate matter suspended in the fluid as well... some debris is normal

let us know what you find.

will do..
p.s clutch fork was replaced

 

[Mustang5L5]

I thought the slider rings are what made them pop out not syncro's
not 100% tho

Synchros are made up of a few parts.

There is the actual gear which contains dog teeth which actually mesh the synchro slider to the gear and is what drives the car. The slider ring/blocker ring is the "brake" which is sandwiched between the synchro slider and the gear. This is a wearable item and is replaced ina rebuild. What happens is when you begin the shift into gear, the synchro slider presses into the blocker ring, engages it and then presses it agains tthe gear to slow it down or speed it up.

When blocker rings become worn, you get grinding. The wear from the friction material wearing down or the teeth becoming marred.

Once the gear is engaged, the blocker rings are out of the picture. The physical engagement is now between the synchro slider and dog teeth on the gear itself. They are beveled in a way that when there is a load on the gear, they will not release unless the load is taken off.

When the teeth become damaged however, they tend to cause grinding of gears and/or popping out of gear.

There are other causes of popping, another of which is improper gear/slider engagement causes by belt shift forks or rails or someone just not assembling the mainshaft correctly and the gear being slightly off.

Here's a few pics for visuals. This is a t-5, not a t-45. The black ring in front is the synchro blocker ring. Direct behind it is 3rd gear, and you can see the dog teeth right behind the blocker that engages with the synchro slider (not shown)

The 2nd pic is a damaged 2nd gear out of a trans i rebuilt. You can see the angled shape of the dog teeth designed to help keep the gears engaged under load. This trans grinded into 2nd, and you can see why by looking at the top of the teeth on the left side. A little more damage, and it would begin to pop out of gear.