I hate filling out Job Applications

[revhead347]

I have decided that the company I work for is going no where, so I am job hunting. I started my application with US Air, what a pain the ass. They ask a bunch of stupid yes or no questions, and then get to the time tables. They want a break down of command and second in command time of every aircraft I've ever flown. Basically a compilation of a bunch of meaningless data placed in there simply to determine how badly you want the job. It took me 4 hours to compile the data, and then my session had timed out, and I had to start all over again. They even make you put a username and password in, but when you log back in, it makes you start at the beginning anyway. Applying for a new job sucks ass, that's all I have to say.

Kurt

 

[BlackVert]

welcome to the rat race.

 

[Three50won]

revhead347, I feel your pain. In my field (healthcare) you have to go online to each specific hospital/facility. You have to find the job in your specialty (if there is one) and then fill out an online application...and to do this you have to register a screenname and password. Then you wait 4-6 months for them to interview you IF they interview you at all. Sometimes you wait soo long to contact you that you forget you even filled the application out. I've had places call me looking to interview and I didn't know WTF they were talking about because it had been soo long. At the interview you have to fill out the paper form of the same application you filled out online. Then you have to provide all documents that you already faxed, scanned, mailed, etc. Then you have to have a physical. And then you have to go to an all day orientation. Finding a job is more work than the actual job itself...

 

[psychorugby]

Never mind the fact that you can never talk to a human during the process. They only want you dealing with their online system and there is no status update at any point in the process.

 

[revhead347]

For the job I have now I had to fill out a 28 page application. Eight of those pages were waivers to any type of privacy I have ever had in my life. Then there was a 2 day interview. On the first day, you showed up, someone looked through your logbooks. Then you went into an airplane simulator you had never flown before and flew a bunch of instrument stuff. Then you were immediately dismissed. You would go to your hotel room, and call a phone number after 6pm. There was a recording, if you heard the last 4 digits of your social security number, that means you were invited back for the second day of the interview. If you didn't, you went home.

Kurt

 

[foxbodymike87]

F**k that.. stuff sucks so bad..i work at minimum wage for 8 hours a week.. Just enough to pay for gas..

 

[Three50won]

For the job I have now I had to fill out a 28 page application. Eight of those pages were waivers to any type of privacy I have ever had in my life. Then there was a 2 day interview. On the first day, you showed up, someone looked through your logbooks. Then you went into an airplane simulator you had never flown before and flew a bunch of instrument stuff. Then you were immediately dismissed. You would go to your hotel room, and call a phone number after 6pm. There was a recording, if you heard the last 4 digits of your social security number, that means you were invited back for the second day of the interview. If you didn't, you went home.

Kurt

Cheez-its Christ man...do they even reimburse you if you aren't the chosen one (hahaha)...is the salary worth the trouble?

 

[BlackVert]

Dang. in software development, it is pretty much all face to face. You send in your resume, and if it is a good fit, they call you to schedule an interview. The challenge there is that you have to prove to the people interviewing you that you know that you are doing.

Three, I work for 3M HIS .. we sell software to hospitals. I wonder if you use any of my software ...

 

[revhead347]

F**k that.. stuff sucks so bad..i work at minimum wage for 8 hours a week.. Just enough to pay for gas..

My first year at this job I made $24,900. If you added up all the time I spent away from home, it was below minimum wage. No, none of your expenses are covered for the interview. Most of the people I interviewed with spent $800 to get one hour in the simulator to prep for the interview. I opted not to do that, and I did just fine. I've been waiting 15 years for this career to turn around, but it's all supply and demand. So far with the economy, the war, the fuel spike, and the age 65 rule, it's been sucking pretty bad. I think the number of things that can go wrong have finally run out, and the shortage is here. There is no one coming up the pipe line, and everyone is retiring in a 5 year period. In about 3 years time from now you won't be able to fly anywhere, because there will be no one to fly you. I'll probably have a solid 8 hours put into this application when it's all done, and it will amount to almost nothing. I don't have any captain time, and I don't know anyone at the airline who can refer me, so I'm basically just applying now to show repeat interest in 2 years when they are desperate enough to hire me. The average age of the pilot group at US Air is now 61 years old. Of those above the average age, at least half of them will medical out before they reach the mandantory retirement age of 65. If I can get on the front of this hiring waive, I should be on easy street.

Kurt

 

[foxbodymike87]

My first year at this job I made $24,900. If you added up all the time I spent away from home, it was below minimum wage. No, none of your expenses are covered for the interview. Most of the people I interviewed with spent $800 to get one hour in the simulator to prep for the interview. I opted not to do that, and I did just fine. I've been waiting 15 years for this career to turn around, but it's all supply and demand. So far with the economy, the war, the fuel spike, and the age 65 rule, it's been sucking pretty bad. I think the number of things that can go wrong have finally run out, and the shortage is here. There is no one coming up the pipe line, and everyone is retiring in a 5 year period. In about 3 years time from now you won't be able to fly anywhere, because there will be no one to fly you. I'll probably have a solid 8 hours put into this application when it's all done, and it will amount to almost nothing. I don't have any captain time, and I don't know anyone at the airline who can refer me, so I'm basically just applying now to show repeat interest in 2 years when they are desperate enough to hire me. The average age of the pilot group at US Air is now 61 years old. Of those above the average age, at least half of them will medical out before they reach the mandantory retirement age of 65. If I can get on the front of this hiring waive, I should be on easy street.

Kurt

Yeah, im still fairly young(early 20's) so i plan on goin to UTI and do the performance and ford program and after that i HOPE to be in a dealership. Ford obviously

 

[Three50won]

Dang. in software development, it is pretty much all face to face. You send in your resume, and if it is a good fit, they call you to schedule an interview. The challenge there is that you have to prove to the people interviewing you that you know that you are doing.

Three, I work for 3M HIS .. we sell software to hospitals. I wonder if you use any of my software ...

Here in NJ I've seen Cerner Works used for documentation...a few others as well but I cannot remember their names.

 

[Three50won]

My first year at this job I made $24,900. If you added up all the time I spent away from home, it was below minimum wage. No, none of your expenses are covered for the interview. Most of the people I interviewed with spent $800 to get one hour in the simulator to prep for the interview. I opted not to do that, and I did just fine. I've been waiting 15 years for this career to turn around, but it's all supply and demand. So far with the economy, the war, the fuel spike, and the age 65 rule, it's been sucking pretty bad. I think the number of things that can go wrong have finally run out, and the shortage is here. There is no one coming up the pipe line, and everyone is retiring in a 5 year period. In about 3 years time from now you won't be able to fly anywhere, because there will be no one to fly you. I'll probably have a solid 8 hours put into this application when it's all done, and it will amount to almost nothing. I don't have any captain time, and I don't know anyone at the airline who can refer me, so I'm basically just applying now to show repeat interest in 2 years when they are desperate enough to hire me. The average age of the pilot group at US Air is now 61 years old. Of those above the average age, at least half of them will medical out before they reach the mandantory retirement age of 65. If I can get on the front of this hiring waive, I should be on easy street.

Kurt

I take it you're a pilot? I would think pilots make a ton of money. I met one guy a couple weeks ago who said he only makes about $1,000 per flight to fly very wealthy people to Europe. So maybe the pay isn't that good...

 

[Hef5.0weisen]

The older/wiser I get, the more I like the Air Force....I can retire in 4.5 yrs.

Heck Kurt, Air Force is always looking for Pilots!

Three50won...where are you at in NJ? I'm a native New Jersey-an...South Jersey, West Deptford/Audubon/Cherry Hill area....currently living in Hell, New Mexico...would kill for a draft Yuengling, a cheesesteak....and a few Tasykakes for later.

 

[revhead347]

Yeah, im still fairly young(early 20's) so i plan on goin to UTI and do the performance and ford program and after that i HOPE to be in a dealership. Ford obviously

You're a smart guy. All these clowns going to college these days don't see the writing on the wall. There is a crazy impending shortage of skilled laborers. Give it 10 years and a plumber is going to make more than a criminal defense attorney. I saw the youtube clip of Mike Rowe's congressional appearance. He pretty much lays it on the line for the problems we are facing. In my home country of Norway, they have already been through it. Higher education is essentially free there, and everyone went to college. Now they have immigration seminars in Africa to bring in people to do all the work no one knows how to or wants to do.

Kurt

 

[revhead347]

The older/wiser I get, the more I like the Air Force....I can retire in 4.5 yrs.

Heck Kurt, Air Force is always looking for Pilots!

I kind of missed the boat on that. The age cut off is 29 and I'm 32, and realistically if you don't get a flight slot fresh out of ROTC or the academy, you aren't going to fly a fixed wing. I always thought military life wasn't for me, and I didn't want to get stuck in a 12 year commitment when the airline industry was going to be in boom. The airline industry boomed alright, in the wrong sector. The trunk line employees B scaled all us new guys coming in to save their own payscales. It didn't work. The elaborate labor hedging scheme they set up ended up costing more than the original payscales did, and all the trunk carriers, except American declared bankruptcy. All those trunk carrier pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcies. To answer the other question, yes being a pilot does pay very well, it's the 12th highest paying profession in the country. The problem is that it's the most tilted scale in the world. Your timing has to be perfect or you never make it to the top. When I came in, I was making $19.02/flight hour, and a guy at the top of Delta (essentially the same airline) was making $341/hr to do the same job.

Kurt

 

[Three50won]

The older/wiser I get, the more I like the Air Force....I can retire in 4.5 yrs.

Heck Kurt, Air Force is always looking for Pilots!

Three50won...where are you at in NJ? I'm a native New Jersey-an...South Jersey, West Deptford/Audubon/Cherry Hill area....currently living in Hell, New Mexico...would kill for a draft Yuengling, a cheesesteak....and a few Tasykakes for later.

I'm in Monmouth County. I am where the REAL Jersey Shore is...that is Asbury, Belmar, Bradley Beach, Pt. Pleasant, and Seaside since the 60's and 70's until a bunch of punks stole the phrase, attached it solely to Seaside, and made it an embarrassment to say "I'm from the Jersey Shore". Ah well...I've worked in south Jersey (Cherry Hill, Marlton, Voorhees, Salem) so I know where you're from. I'll toss back a few Yuenglings for you this weekend buddy!!

 

[ProKiller]

good ole' lagers...good but they give me an immediate hangover. my parents are like 25min from the brewery.

i just got hired for the same position i do now but finally with the company. i was a contractor for 6 years. you'd think that i'd just get grandfathered in and most of my info would have been transferred over. nope. i had to fill out about 16 pages of application stuff before even getting my offer letter. then had to fill out about half of it again as an employee. freakin ridiculous. i've been working as an employee for two weeks now and still don't have half the accesses i need back.

 

[chaos254]

I feel your pain. I have been unemployed for 6 months now since moving from CA. Sending out application after application without so much as an email response back from most. I've interviewed with multiple companies some of those consisting of 4-5 interviews and no luck. All I want is a decent job that doesn't pay absolute . It seems like either everyone pays 10 an hour or $80,000+ and wants 10 years experience... no real middle jobs. It's frustrating...

 

[revhead347]

Looks like I might have to buy an Airline Transport Certificate to be competitive. There's another $1800+ to roll the dice with.

Kurt

 

[StadEMS3]

It seems like the old saying still applies- you got to know someone to get a job. This is even more true in todays economy. The only reason I got my GS-14 job in DC after 22yrs in the Air Force is because I knew someone. My brother is retiring after 24yrs in the Air Force with Top Secret/SCI clearance and he is panicing because he wants to stay in Spokane, WA but there is nothing out there for him. I told him and told him he should of started looking when he hit 20yrs! And, no I will not hire my brother...