Progress Thread BluePrint 347 long block engine swap

[limp]

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[Sparky714]

So, I think 47s are a bit on the small side for a 600 rwhp 347 on gas, let alone E85. I don't know if you'll make that much, but I know it's possible, and you might want to have a little room to grow. So, with that in mind, my recommendation is to get some 60 or 80 lb injectors from Siemens Deka. You will not be pushing those injectors at 600rwhp, and they have awesome control for idle & cruise. You'll obviously need some way to tune them, regardless of the injector size you pick at that level. You're not going to get away with just a calibrated maf.

Recommendations on where to buy injectors?

 

[AeroCoupe]

Genuine 80lb Siemens Deka IV EV1 BMW Chevy Camaro Ford Mustang V8 LT1 LS1 5.0L 4.6L 110324 Turbo 800cc 840cc 850cc 110324 FI114992- TREperformance.com

TREPerformance sells high performance genuine Siemens 80lb. fuel injectors for all BMW, Bosch, Chevy and Ford vehicles including the Mustang V8 5.0L, Chevy Camaro LT1 LS1 LSX along with the Lotus Esprit Pontiac Firebird, Transam and 840cc injectors.

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Siemens Deka EV1 80lb Injector set for V8

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I would also go here and read their “warning” about cline’s and that they will price match if the lower price is an authorized dealer. To get a set from these guys is literally $100 per injector while the two above are about half that. Do some research as things have gone to .

80lb/h Siemens Deka High Impedance (Long Style) with EV1 Connector – FI114992 (60mm) – Muscle Motors | Siemens Deka Distributor

 

[TOOLOW91]

Ok, I'm officially retired and I pulled the trigger on the Blueprint 347 long block(no sales tax, beat the price increase and he threw in free shipping ). So I'm starting to gather parts for the swap. I currently have a 255lph Walbro fuel pump with stock rails and lines and 47lb injectors. Will the 47's be big enough with the 347 and Vortech on 10lbs of boost? if I need to change the fuel system, how big would I need to go to run E85? I know I could have went with a more expensive long block built for boost, but I'm old, stubborn, cheap and like a challenge. If this thing grenades and the block is salvageable, I'll rebuild it.

10.5:1
The cam isn’t exactly optimal either in my opinion. Not the best not the worst
E85 is your friend at that compression
Pump gas tuning window will be much smaller at that compression.

My real concern here is ring gap. I hope the rings are gapped enough to not have an issue.

 

[Sparky714]

10.5:1
The cam isn’t exactly optimal either in my opinion. Not the best not the worst
E85 is your friend at that compression
Pump gas tuning window will be much smaller at that compression.

My real concern here is ring gap. I hope the rings are gapped enough to not have an issue.

Where did you see 10.5:1? The long block description says 10:1. I know it's a little high and the setup isn't ideal for boost, but I can't pass it up at the price. I'm not trying to spin the world backwards with this upgrade, just have some fun. I'll run it as is and if it takes a crap, ill salvage what I can and rebuild it. Since I've retired, I have nothing but time and my wife has no problem with me buying parts(within reason) as it keeps me occupied in the shop (she works from home). I do appreciate all the advice I get here. You guys are a wealth of information.

 

[LonelyLota]

Looks like I'll be doing a fuel supply upgrade too. I knew i defiantly would be on E85. Do you have a good site I can look at for fuel calculators, line sizes ect.? I have the external Trex pump that came with the blower that I never used. Could I make the 255 in tank and external Trex work and do bigger lines , rails and injectors?

Hey buddy, just curious if you’ve gotten it running yet! I really wanna do a blueprint 347 and procharge it later on, currently just waiting on parts to finish my 95! But kinda curious on how’s the process is going?

 

[TTSaleen]

Nice car and plans you have for it.
I have a similar combo and run E85. (347 engine, Vortech at 14# boost, E85 fuel).
I run a Holley Terminator-X computer to control my tune.

Here's what I use =
Deka 80# injectors - Cannot find new anymore due to backorder, so bought some off Ebay that were flow tested and warrantied.

8x Siemens Deka 80LB 850cc Fuel Injectors 110324 FI114992: Flow Tested & Cleaned | eBay

110324 FI114992: Flow Tested & Cleaned. - Set of 8x Deka 80LB 850cc Fuel Injectors. - Zero miles on fuel injectors since service. (8x) EV6/EV14 USCAR to EV1 Jetronic Fuel Injector Connectors. As well as EV1 wiring harness pigtails for manually wiring in these fuel injectors.

www.ebay.com

Anderson Ford Motorsports Fuel Rail Kit - Has 8AN inlet and outlet. I have a #8 feed going to a Y-block that feeds the front of each fuel rail. At the back of the rails they tie into another Y-block and then connect to the fuel regulator.

Anderson Fuel Rails 86-95 Mustang 5.0/5.8L Black

Anderson Ford Motorsport is the ultimate source of high-quality Ford Mustang performance and racing parts. We provide parts for classic and modern engines.

www.andersonfordmotorsport.com

I run a stock tank with an aftermarket hanger (similar to the Pro-M) with a Walbro 465lph fuel pump with 8AN PTFE feed lines thru a separate stainless steel filter (for E85). I run the stock OEM fuel feed line as my return and connected it up properly from my regulator and into the fuel tank.
I also have a separate Aeromotive 13101 fuel pressure regulator. Ensure you upgrade your relay to feed your fuel pump. I put a new kit on mine.

19140 Aeromotive 525 Pump and Hanger for 1983 - 1997 Mustangs

Anderson Ford Motorsport is the ultimate source of high-quality Ford Mustang performance and racing parts. We provide parts for classic and modern engines.

www.andersonfordmotorsport.com

Link to regulator -

Amazon.com: Aeromotive 13101 A1000 EFI Fuel Pressure Regulator, Adjustable 40-75 PSI, Injected Return-Style, Red : Automotive

Buy Aeromotive 13101 A1000 EFI Fuel Pressure Regulator, Adjustable 40-75 PSI, Injected Return-Style, Red: Pressure Regulators - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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Link to filter -

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFV475C3

Link to fuel line -

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Link to fuel line - Return -

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Link to fuel pump relay kit -

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[Sparky714]

Hey buddy, just curious if you’ve gotten it running yet! I really wanna do a blueprint 347 and procharge it later on, currently just waiting on parts to finish my 95! But kinda curious on how’s the process is going?

No, not yet. It’ll be a winter project. Engine won’t even be delivered until next month.

 

[Sparky714]

Nice car and plans you have for it.
I have a similar combo and run E85. (347 engine, Vortech at 14# boost, E85 fuel).
I run a Holley Terminator-X computer to control my tune.

Thanks for all the info! Are you running a Blueprint Engines 347?

 

[Sparky714]

Got a delivery today. Still gathering parts for it so it will be a few months before it actually goes in the car. Dyno sheet says 432hp and 432ftlbs torque, 17 more than they advertise. I'll take it. Should be a fun project.

 

[Noobz347]

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[frankiepr1]

Got a delivery today. Still gathering parts for it so it will be a few months before it actually goes in the car. Dyno sheet says 432hp and 432ftlbs torque, 17 more than they advertise. I'll take it. Should be a fun project.

Hey buddy. Did you ever install and boost the blueprint engine ? I am thinking of doing the same but seems that no one has been brave enough to add a little boost lol. What are your thoughts on the quality of the long block ?

 

[Sparky714]

Hey buddy. Did you ever install and boost the blueprint engine ? I am thinking of doing the same but seems that no one has been brave enough to add a little boost lol. What are your thoughts on the quality of the long block ?

It's not installed yet. But it's in progress. Working on the fuel system and started to pull things apart, but it will probably be March or April before it's ready to fire. Going to be replacing the cheap valve covers, but other than that it looks good. Just ordered a bunch of parts with Black Friday sales going on, and it's snowing here, so time to get serious.

 

[frankiepr1]

It's not installed yet. But it's in progress. Working on the fuel system and started to pull things apart, but it will probably be March or April before it's ready to fire. Going to be replacing the cheap valve covers, but other than that it looks good. Just ordered a bunch of parts with Black Friday sales going on, and it's snowing here, so time to get serious.

Post some pics of the valve train when you swap the valve covers if you can. I contacted blue print asking what parts they are using, but they were very vague, they only said that they were comp cam roller rockers but no part #’s or anything. Wondering if they are steel or billet rollers. They said also stated that they use mahle brand forged pistons and ring set.

 

[Sparky714]

Post some pics of the valve train when you swap the valve covers if you can. I contacted blue print asking what parts they are using, but they were very vague, they only said that they were comp cam roller rockers but no part #’s or anything. Wondering if they are steel or billet rollers. They said also stated that they use mahle brand forged pistons and ring set.

Yeah, I tried to get part numbers for for internals too. They told me pistons and rings were made for them by Mahle and crank made for them by Scat. Would only give me their internal part numbers. I'll take some pictures and post them when I pull the valve covers. Might do that later today after I'm done shoveling snow.....

 

[Sparky714]

What are your thoughts on the quality of the long block ?

Just saw this post by a guy that bought one of the new Summit blocks on 8.2 Deck Mafia on facebook. Everyone's been wondering if the Summit 8.2 blocks are the same as the new BluePrint blocks. With the BPE logo on the main caps, I would say yes they are the same.

 

[Sparky714]

Wondering if they are steel or billet rollers.

I was curious about the rockers too, so I pulled the valve covers. They look like billet to me. Couldn’t find any markings other than the 3/8” and 1.6 stamped on them. Everything looks good to me, but I’m far from being an expert engine builder.

 

[nickyb]

Your gonna want to pull the timing cover also, its a non EFI one.

 

[rednotch]

I was curious about the rockers too, so I pulled the valve covers. They look like billet to me. Couldn’t find any markings other than the 3/8” and 1.6 stamped on them. Everything looks good to me, but I’m far from being an expert engine builder.

China rockers, stainless, many brand them just like the China sourced dart clone heads bpe brands, there the only one with those castings in the pedestal option but many sell the stud version yongyu industrial cast the heads, think Y&j make the rockers but never dug into those much. https://ynj-racing-rockerarm.com/collections/stainless-steel-rocker-arm

 

[Sparky714]

Your gonna want to pull the timing cover also, its a non EFI one.

Nope. This ones made specifically for BluePrint and has mounting holes for either style pump. Just need to block off the mechanical fuel pump hole and change the timing pointer and my reverse rotation water pump will bolt right up. https://blueprintengines.com/collections/timing-covers