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rdharper02

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Noted, so where do I go to get the "good stuff". I think I could use it with as much as I break stuff...lol
 

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madmike1157 said:
I only associate Coolio w/ Gangsta's Paradise.

That way, the first part of the song becomes almost always appropriate when I start working on something..

" As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I take a look at my (grinders) life, and realize that that there none left".......

And for the record,....you have you Gila orifices wrongly identified.

The only noise that should come out of the Gila hole is exhaust noise.
The Gila fin - fan noise
The Gila gills - fan noise
The Gila nostrils - under hood noises.
The Gila vents - are TBD. They used to be on the back of the original hood, now that's gone. That leaves a G vent designator still un assigned.

All of the noise will come from the little Japanese kid.

While JB weld has been the staple of what I've used everywhere on my glued together car, it is far from the good stuff......you find out what is, when you butcher a super victor intake manifold to the point that it would be impossible to be able to weld back.
This scenario is what I did to myself when I decided to put 16 fuel injectors on said manifold. Had my machinist make me two mounting rails per side, each rail accommodating 4 injectors each. Then had him cut two staggered tiers on the runners so that the rails could sit on. T
What that left me with were areas that couldn't be accessed w/ a TIG, leaving the only option to glue the rails on instead.

After using conventional JB however, you find out that JB will not withstand exposure to methanol, and you have to heat the manifold in an oven to get it hot enough to cause the JB to fail, and start over......W/ some stuff from GE aerospace that costs 125.00 for 8 ounces, that they supposedly used to hold the space shuttle heat tiles on, and go to town.

Being careful to " not get it on you, and especially away from your eyes".
Because for the same reasons it is impervious to methanol, it's also impervious to lacquer thinner.
8 hours later, it dries to what looks like melted glass. Hard as a damn diamond.

And the .030 piece of aluminum that I used as a mixing board?......

As a test, I hit the back side w/ a hammer, I tried to curl, fold, wrinkle, bend, and twist the metal to get the thin layer that was left to fracture off, but it wouldn't. If it's got to tolerate getting to absolute zero on one extreme, and whatever temp the back side of that tile would get to during re entry, it should certainly be able to withstand my little " smack it with a hammer" test.

That is the good stuff.
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....although there was that one batch but I'm pretty sure that they were all pulled from inventory.

 

CarMichael Angelo

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Noobz347 said:
....although there was that one batch but I'm pretty sure that they were all pulled from inventory.

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You just trying to make a point, or are you coming to terms with the fact that there is a new glitch w/ how the forum posts replies?
 

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Yeah... I'm not sure what that's about yet. I think it's the CloudFlare server.

I'll have to look into it more this week. I hate chasing bugs like this. Could be so many things.

I'm betting it's the proxy server tho.
 

CarMichael Angelo

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rdharper02 said:
Noted, so where do I go to get the "good stuff". I think I could use it with as much as I break stuff...lol
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It's been about ten years now since that car, and it was after a Google search that I came across that stuff. The guy that spoke with me said that they didn't ordinarily sell the stuff in smaller than 1 qt. quantities, and added that buying a qt. of that stuff for my project would probably be cost prohibitive. I guess that I was " lucky" that he sold me a little 8 oz amount ( in a 1 qt. container) for 125.00. Otherwise, that would've been closer to 500.00 for the 32 ounces.
 

CarMichael Angelo

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Noobz347 said:
Yeah... I'm not sure what that's about yet. I think it's the CloudFlare server.

I'll have to look into it more this week. I hate chasing bugs like this. Could be so many things.

I'm betting it's the proxy server tho.
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And for the record,....( and I'm sure that I don't have to point it out to you, but since it's your picture....)
Re-entry = coming back from space
 

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Re-entry is what happens as you go through 9 stages while coming to terms with the "if/when" this doesn't work scenario.
 

CarMichael Angelo

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Noobz347 said:
Re-entry is what happens as you go through 9 stages while coming to terms with the "if/when" this doesn't work scenario.
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So then,...you think it was the GE glue that failed?
 

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No silly. I'm just drawing a parallel for the worst case scenario. That's the joke.
 

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No silly. I'm just drawing a parallel for the worst case scenario. That's the joke.
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Parallel huh?.......I'm still lost as a result of the " up" picture you posted to my " down" reply.

I know you were jokin' Jeeves,....I was all outta smart ass at that minute.
 
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84Ttop

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So I'm catching up from a few weeks on inactivity here... I'm laughing as I picture you hurling grinders across the garage when they fail.
So let me ask you this... Why is the only feasible grinder option HF @20$??
I typically refrain from corded power tools from HF for the very reason you stated... That, and anything that comes with extra brushes is usually junk anyway.
I'm sure I"m too late here but oh well.... What about these options?
Amazon product ASIN B004X5NNGGView: http://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-PC60TAG-6-0-Amp-2-Inch-Grinder/dp/B004X5NNGG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-4&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
30$ Porter Cable Option
Amazon product ASIN B001TWVESAView: http://www.amazon.com/Makita-GA4530-2-Inch-Angle-Grinder/dp/B001TWVESA/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-15&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
53$ Makita Option
Amazon product ASIN B003DQO7GGView: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-1380Slim-2-Inch-Slim-Grinder/dp/B003DQO7GG/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-10&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
90$ Bosch Option (For a 2 Pack) 7.5 Amp motors on this bad dog...

Personally I prefer the Metabo 8.5 amp grinder as I can't seem to stall it when leaning on a piece of metal with a grinding wheel, heck for that matter I think I have 4 or 5 of them laying around all with different wheels just because I hate changing cutting/grinding wheels....

Just Sayin
 
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84Ttop said:
So I'm catching up from a few weeks on inactivity here... I'm laughing as I picture you hurling grinders across the garage when they fail.
So let me ask you this... Why is the only feasible grinder option HF @20$??
I typically refrain from corded power tools from HF for the very reason you stated... That, and anything that comes with extra brushes is usually junk anyway.
I'm sure I"m too late here but oh well.... What about these options?
Amazon product ASIN B004X5NNGGView: http://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-PC60TAG-6-0-Amp-2-Inch-Grinder/dp/B004X5NNGG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-4&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
30$ Porter Cable Option
Amazon product ASIN B001TWVESAView: http://www.amazon.com/Makita-GA4530-2-Inch-Angle-Grinder/dp/B001TWVESA/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-15&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
53$ Makita Option
Amazon product ASIN B003DQO7GGView: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-1380Slim-2-Inch-Slim-Grinder/dp/B003DQO7GG/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-10&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
90$ Bosch Option (For a 2 Pack) 7.5 Amp motors on this bad dog...

Personally I prefer the Metabo 8.5 amp grinder as I can't seem to stall it when leaning on a piece of metal with a grinding wheel, heck for that matter I think I have 4 or 5 of them laying around all with different wheels just because I hate changing cutting/grinding wheels....

Just Sayin
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Hey, thanks for the input, I just automatically assumed that the options out there were either the standard disposable HF or one w/ a brand name that was twice as much. The last branded pair I had before the HF pieces were Ryobi pieces from HD. They were like 39 ea if memory serves, and didn't find that they performed any longer than the last two, but again, that could be my ass talking. As with all HF stuff I've bought over the years, it's always a " let's see how bad these things suck" test to determine if they get re- purchased when they die. All I know is I gotta get something, I'm just as dead in the water as that last one is that I threw down on the ground.

And it is too bad that the only guy that gets to see all of the stuff I do when I get Pi ssd is my neighbor, he's already convinced I'm crazy.
 
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Boosted92LX

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FWIW, i have two HF grinders i picked up for 9.99 each. They've been working for about two years, but they have nowhere near the power my Milwaukee does. Heck if I'd known i could get a porter cable for 30 bucks id have 3 or 4 laying around. I love porter cable tools.
 

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madmike1157 said:
Hey, thanks for the input, I just automatically assumed that the options out there were either the standard disposable HF or one w/ a brand name that was twice as much. The last branded pair I had before the HF pieces were Ryobi pieces from HD. They were like 39 ea if memory serves, and didn't find that they performed any longer than the last two, but again, that could be my ass talking. As with all HF stuff I've bought over the years, it's always a " let's see how bad these things suck" test to determine if they get re- purchased when they die. All I know is I gotta get something, I'm just as dead in the water as that last one is that I threw down on the ground.

And it is too bad that the only guy that gets to see all of the stuff I do when I get Pi ssd is my neighbor, he's already convinced I'm crazy.
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Don't worry Mike. Your neighbor isn't the only one.
 
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Still waiting for my dad to ask what happened to his Dewalt grinder.
 
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madmike1157 said:
Parallel huh?.......I'm still lost as a result of the " up" picture you posted to my " down" reply.

I know you were jokin' Jeeves,....I was all outta smart ass at that minute.
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Whereas I have a nearly endless supply. Probably why I can't fabricate.
 

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madmike1157 said:
Last week the wife asks what I want for Christmas. I tell her I'll have to think about it, as this will be one of those Christmas's that I need nothing for the car. (And I always get car parts as gifts.......she knows better.)
So bottom line, I need nothing really.
After thinking about it, I tell her that I could use some HF wheel dollies, and just to be safe, my angle grinders are probably about to go. She asks how much that stuff is and I tell her, The wheel dolly set is about 120.00, and the 4-1/2 angle grinder(s) are a little over 20.00 each. I tell her I'll need two, one for cutting, and one for grinding. That way I can leave the respective wheel attached w/o having to change blades/wheels all the time.

That's all?

Yep.

However, no sooner did I tell her that, and grinder #1 takes a dump. Typical HF failure,...the brushes wear out. Although they include another set most of the time, the stupid plastic caps that hold the brushes in are fractured, so when I go to replace them, the cap comes out in pieces.

I hail mary the thing into the trash can.

Now I'm down to 1.

Fast forward to today, and grinder #2 slows down in my hand. I smack it, and it speeds back up. The rest of the day, It struggles to do what I needed to do, eventually giving up the ghost as well. I throw it down to the ground, as hard as I please.

They lived a decent life. They managed to get through more than 3/4 of the way through what will amount to be a 3 year build.

This however creates a dilemma. I now need two new grinders, and there is still 3 weeks till Christmas. I simply can't wait that long, especially considering that I have a fair amount of cutting, and grinding in front of me.

Guess I'm getting socks for Christmas.

What I managed to get done before Thing #2 took a crap was get the other bumper extension pretty much complete. As with everything I do where there are two, the second piece is always easier, or better, of took less time, or required less work. This was the case w/ this side as well.

The driver side extension is made up of 6 separate pieces of steel, the passenger side was half that. The driver side took 8 hours, this side took 4.




I still have to cut the piece of steel where the overlap is, and butt weld the extension in place, but it's getting there.

Also, since the fenders are on, I took the opportunity to check for interference when turning.



The tire hits the fender at full lock. The clearance that is there is laughable because any dip in the road w/ the tires turned will result in a hard scrub. The front end has gotta come up an inch.

Had I not bitten off so much other custom fab crap with this car, I'd consider going back to the drawing board, and bulge the fenders, and quarters Ala Capri, Then throw on some big assed 295's up front, and maybe a 335 or bigger rear.

But,.....ain't gonna happen. I have more than enough on my plate if I ever hope to get done in time for spring '16.
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Tell your wife you want a Cyclone Branding Iron for Christmas lol
 

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84Ttop said:
So I'm catching up from a few weeks on inactivity here... I'm laughing as I picture you hurling grinders across the garage when they fail.
So let me ask you this... Why is the only feasible grinder option HF @20$??
I typically refrain from corded power tools from HF for the very reason you stated... That, and anything that comes with extra brushes is usually junk anyway.
I'm sure I"m too late here but oh well.... What about these options?
Amazon product ASIN B004X5NNGGView: http://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-PC60TAG-6-0-Amp-2-Inch-Grinder/dp/B004X5NNGG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-4&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
30$ Porter Cable Option
Amazon product ASIN B001TWVESAView: http://www.amazon.com/Makita-GA4530-2-Inch-Angle-Grinder/dp/B001TWVESA/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-15&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
53$ Makita Option
Amazon product ASIN B003DQO7GGView: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-1380Slim-2-Inch-Slim-Grinder/dp/B003DQO7GG/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502112&sr=8-10&keywords=4.5%22+angle+grinder
90$ Bosch Option (For a 2 Pack) 7.5 Amp motors on this bad dog...

Personally I prefer the Metabo 8.5 amp grinder as I can't seem to stall it when leaning on a piece of metal with a grinding wheel, heck for that matter I think I have 4 or 5 of them laying around all with different wheels just because I hate changing cutting/grinding wheels....

Just Sayin
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So to update, I do in fact go into Home Depot and check branded stuff before I just flop for the HF grinder. Again, there is a Ryobi piece, only this time for 29.00. Rated at 5.5 amps, it's fully one amp better than the HF piece for 7 dollars less. No brainier. I grab the box head for the check out, and pull out Wally the wallet.
Then I start thinking,.....I think I have a Sears gift card in there that I've been carrying since last Christmas that has some minimal balance remaining on it.

I take the Ryobi back to the shelf, and walk across the street to the Sears store, straight into the tool department. They have this plain white boxed piece labeled w/ the name Evolve for Sears.

( like for some reason, putting the name Craftsman on it would have tarnished their good name, and stellar rep....)

It's 39 bucks, rated the same 5.5 amps the Ryobi piece is. Ordinarily, I'd go back and just buy the Ryobi, but.......

I got 16 whole dollars remains on that gift card......

What to do,....what to do....

What do you think I did?...

Bought that damn plain white wrapper for 24 bucks is what I did.

It's noticibly more torquey than the HF piece, so I'm back in business. I still gotta make due so the youngest son has something he can buy the old guy instead of socks.
 
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84Ttop said:
heck for that matter I think I have 4 or 5 of them laying around all with different wheels just because I hate changing cutting/grinding wheels....
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I've completely avoided doing projects because I need to cut a piece of metal but my grinder has a flap disc on it. I get pissed because I can never find the damn tool to change the discs. It's always a lottery drawing when I open the drawer that the grinder sits in!
 
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RacEoHolic330 said:
I've completely avoided doing projects because I need to cut a piece of metal but my grinder has a flap disc on it. I get ****ed because I can never find the damn tool to change the discs. It's always a lottery drawing when I open the drawer that the grinder sits in!
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Well,....I go one step beyond that. I always have two so I don't have to do that (up until this particular writing) But you still have to replenish the wheels, and it still involves the "where the hell is that wrench?".
I typically do not let that stop me.

I'll use my gloved hand to turn (and loosen) the wheel as long as the collet lock isn't broke.
When the collet lock pin goes (usually because I hit the button while the thing is either going or still spinning after shutting it off) I resort to using a die grinder wrench to hold the arbor shaft, if that dont fit, I'll jam a screwdriver into hole where the collet used to go. When the hole wallows out or breaks, I'll grab a pair of needle nose VG's and bite the arbor shaft w/ them. If there is no room to get a pair of VG's on the shaft, I smash the thing on the floor, and come in here and write about it.
 
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