dr. Dan W.
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Surely there must be some other shows around with cash prizes! It seems like you could cut that number down to 30-35 years.
Build Thread 1978 Mercury Cyclone. The pig is in the pen.
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You wouldn't be afraid of moving into that neighbour-hood if you mounted those mini guns like noobs suggested.
Great minds think al.....Aw damn
I don't know why I even mess with the car...
Maybe it's an old fix,...adjusting valves. Maybe because of all of the advances in valvetrain components you don't need to dick with adjusting valves...I know it'll be a lonnng time before I pull that valve cover again.
The original cam spec called for the I/E valve lash to be set to 16i/18e. After talking with a US cam guy, he recommended that I tighten that to 12/14, and that's what I set it a looong time ago. Ive checked it before after initially setting the lash and after running the engine through a heat cycle, the next time I checked it it was exactly where I set it.
Now after 200+ miles,...it's still the same.
I guess that aftermarket chromoly rockers just don't change that much compared to stock junk....I ain't messing with them for a while now that I've done that........again.
So,..the cars's clean (enough)....I'm off on Saturday again,..and the show opens for parking at 8....I figure I'll depart here around 7:30,...so I can get a good spot..
All that's left to do is to create an Ipad based slide show to detail the 50 bagillion mods that make up the monster,...that, and sitting around in the sun for 5 hours....
Can't,..........wait.
Maybe it's an old fix,...adjusting valves. Maybe because of all of the advances in valvetrain components you don't need to dick with adjusting valves...I know it'll be a lonnng time before I pull that valve cover again.
The original cam spec called for the I/E valve lash to be set to 16i/18e. After talking with a US cam guy, he recommended that I tighten that to 12/14, and that's what I set it a looong time ago. Ive checked it before after initially setting the lash and after running the engine through a heat cycle, the next time I checked it it was exactly where I set it.
Now after 200+ miles,...it's still the same.
I guess that aftermarket chromoly rockers just don't change that much compared to stock junk....I ain't messing with them for a while now that I've done that........again.
So,..the cars's clean (enough)....I'm off on Saturday again,..and the show opens for parking at 8....I figure I'll depart here around 7:30,...so I can get a good spot..
All that's left to do is to create an Ipad based slide show to detail the 50 bagillion mods that make up the monster,...that, and sitting around in the sun for 5 hours....
Can't,..........wait.
Take some pics of the Monster in the show, damn it. Its not real if there arent pictures of it happening.
If your engine sounds like the "Jolly old sewing machine", what you need is a P&G dial indicator valve gapper.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPM185P33w
I had a homemade version back in the late 60's and it did wonders for the valve train noise and performance. If you are interested in building your own, let me know. I have some drawings that may be useful.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPM185P33w
I had a homemade version back in the late 60's and it did wonders for the valve train noise and performance. If you are interested in building your own, let me know. I have some drawings that may be useful.
In all my time working on an engine, I've never seen that thing. It looks really cool. How much better do you think somebody could get the valves adjusted using it as opposed to a feeler gauge, and my current method of adjusting the intake just as soon as the exhaust valve starts to open, and the exhaust, just as soon as the intake starts to close?
@madmike1157
There is a better way to do this; in any engine when a valve on 1 cylinder is fully open a valve on another cylinder is fully closed. On an inline engine,this is really simple. Look at the camshaft and it becomes very obvious.
On the 4 cylinder MG-B 1800 engine, you numbered the valves starting from the front 1-8 and then numbered them again from the rear 1- 8. The pattern was when #1 in the rear was fully open you set the clearance on #1 in the rear. The inline 6 you have will have a different order, but the same principle will apply.
This trick along with some different valve clearances (.008 in, 015 ex.) made a world of difference in the MG-B 1800. It would pick up normally until it hit 3500. After the 3500 mark, you better be quick because it was going to hit the 6000 RPM redline in 1st or 2nd gear in a blink of an eye.
There is a better way to do this; in any engine when a valve on 1 cylinder is fully open a valve on another cylinder is fully closed. On an inline engine,this is really simple. Look at the camshaft and it becomes very obvious.
On the 4 cylinder MG-B 1800 engine, you numbered the valves starting from the front 1-8 and then numbered them again from the rear 1- 8. The pattern was when #1 in the rear was fully open you set the clearance on #1 in the rear. The inline 6 you have will have a different order, but the same principle will apply.
This trick along with some different valve clearances (.008 in, 015 ex.) made a world of difference in the MG-B 1800. It would pick up normally until it hit 3500. After the 3500 mark, you better be quick because it was going to hit the 6000 RPM redline in 1st or 2nd gear in a blink of an eye.
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What if Bigfoot is there? It would be ANOTHER sighting with no pictures! Plus, there ARE some nice Mustangs out there.
aWell, as expected...
This year was the 17th time that Town and country has hosted the "Big Show".
This year, they decided to change the judging to a "people's choice" to get away from the hassle of people getting p ssed at them for their choices....(Who could blame them?)
The problem with that,.............it was still a heavily biased Mustang show. Check out their categories...
Class 1. 2012 and up Mustang
Class 2. 2005-2011 Mustang.
Class 2. 1994- 2004 Mustang.
Class 3. 1979-1993 Mustang.
Class 4.1974 - 1978 Mustang
Class 5. 1964-1973 Mustang.
So they segment all of the Mustangs into this "pie" cut into neat little slices,....but because they don't know what to do with the others,.......myself included,....they lump "all other ford cars 51-79" into a mega blob..
All other ford cars,.....in one group,.....from 1951,....to 1979. What a crock.
So,...I'm up against classics,....to include a beautiful 1956 Victoria,...Falcons, Fairlanes,..Torinos, Comets,, and just about every other imaginable model/bodystyle that Ford and Mercury ever fielded.
Perfect.
Nonetheless,...I go about my business,....I gotta pick one of each of these cars and fill out my peoples choice submission.
Some were way easier than others....
64-73....No prob.
A 75k resto of a once drag raced 69 Boss 429 that was now show room perfect...check.
A very clean Bullitt.
The fox that I chose was not noteworty,....it was a driver,...There simply weren't any foxes in attendance..
I chose a red 91 notch..
When it came time to choose one of the sea of S-197's,...it was another Ho- Hum choice for me,..and the S-550 got picked purely for it's color (I like red) It was one of many of those belly buttons, including a brand new GT350......I'm just not gonna pick a car like that because the guy has the money to be able to buy it, then choose it as the "best in class" purely for that reason.
The car in the background was a T-bolt repro,....whether or not this thing was campaigned as a T bolt back in the day I couldn't say....
But it was cool if you like that sort of thing.
It had a 289 that was badged as a 427...didn't make no sense..You could tell big as sht that it was far from a FE .. Maybe it's just for show...
All in all about 120 cars,...
As for me,...I..........cant tell ya. There was interest, but it was modest....people mostly stayed in their lanes....If they were there with a classic group,..they stayed together.. same for the II goobers,...the S 197 vermin, and the "buy it and show it" S 550 horde that included Shelbys, Roush(s) and several customs.......I left early.
(I took this pic from the local Mustang club's FB page recounting the day)....This was an "awesome turnout" pic taken by a member while all of those drivers were in line to register.
I knew that the chances of the Monster winning anything was slim, and definitely would not bring home the grand prize given the contingent of S550-ites that were in attendance. Besides,....Why would anybody choose a Fairmont over the likes of a flawless 56 Vicky? Or that altered wheelbase T bolt? or any number of other mid 60's fairlanes, and then go on to pick the lowly Monster over the standard when this was a peoples choice?
I'm never the peoples choice.
I mean what was left to do? I'd been there 4 hours already. It was just like any other cruise in, but with more rare cars. It was free to get in,..the food and drinks were free, and they had a DJ blaring 50's, 60's, and 70's music all day, it was 86 degrees, and the cars were on black top......... there was only so much fun to be had.
Besides,.....the weird junk happened on the way there and back anyway.
When I got the oil pump back, I changed out the oil to a 5/30 syn. Driving it there, the thing was showing me a really low pressure at cruise...What was normally 56 p.s.i. at RPM was now 35 p.s.i. It would dip into the teens at idle.
On the way home, I took the long way, and that meant that it would sit in traffic. The engine was probably getting up to the 205* temp range. I looked down at the OP gauge and was shocked to see 5-6 p.s.i. I stepped on the gas to bring the idle speed up a little and it jumps up back into the teens. And once I pull off from the light, pressure builds back again....I'm thinkin that I'm low on oil.
So,...Considering that I might be low on oil,...I did what anybody would do to get the car home safely,.....I slowly rolled away from the light,....and floored it... Smoked the tires through 2nd gear, and upset all of the local suburbanites out for their saturday Pre-Easter shopping ritual..
Remember,...this thing has a goofy pan with who knows how much capacity added as a result of the out riggers that I added to the pan. The dipstick is also non-stock. All I know for sure is that stock 250's (that have a front sump pan) take 5 +1 qts. So that is how much oil I put in mine.
But I got this stupid front sump that nothing sits in trapping 1/3rd- 1/2 a qt when it's sitting at idle,....and who knows how much capacity is used up by the external oil cooler routing....Maybe a whole qt besides what the filter is holding is moving outside of the engine when it's running........then depending on how much oil is running through the engine internally and not draining back fast enough.............I added another qt. Now there's 7+ in the system. Couple that to the fact,..that this is a synthetic,.....maybe that junk thins to water viscosity when it gets hot....
I'll drive it today for a brief spell to see if life returns to normal, but if it don't.......I got a problem somewhere. Or maybe The Monster don't like fake oil.
This year was the 17th time that Town and country has hosted the "Big Show".
This year, they decided to change the judging to a "people's choice" to get away from the hassle of people getting p ssed at them for their choices....(Who could blame them?)
The problem with that,.............it was still a heavily biased Mustang show. Check out their categories...
Class 1. 2012 and up Mustang
Class 2. 2005-2011 Mustang.
Class 2. 1994- 2004 Mustang.
Class 3. 1979-1993 Mustang.
Class 4.1974 - 1978 Mustang
Class 5. 1964-1973 Mustang.
So they segment all of the Mustangs into this "pie" cut into neat little slices,....but because they don't know what to do with the others,.......myself included,....they lump "all other ford cars 51-79" into a mega blob..
All other ford cars,.....in one group,.....from 1951,....to 1979. What a crock.
So,...I'm up against classics,....to include a beautiful 1956 Victoria,...Falcons, Fairlanes,..Torinos, Comets,, and just about every other imaginable model/bodystyle that Ford and Mercury ever fielded.
Perfect.
Nonetheless,...I go about my business,....I gotta pick one of each of these cars and fill out my peoples choice submission.
Some were way easier than others....
64-73....No prob.
A 75k resto of a once drag raced 69 Boss 429 that was now show room perfect...check.
A very clean Bullitt.
The fox that I chose was not noteworty,....it was a driver,...There simply weren't any foxes in attendance..
I chose a red 91 notch..
When it came time to choose one of the sea of S-197's,...it was another Ho- Hum choice for me,..and the S-550 got picked purely for it's color (I like red) It was one of many of those belly buttons, including a brand new GT350......I'm just not gonna pick a car like that because the guy has the money to be able to buy it, then choose it as the "best in class" purely for that reason.
The car in the background was a T-bolt repro,....whether or not this thing was campaigned as a T bolt back in the day I couldn't say....
But it was cool if you like that sort of thing.
It had a 289 that was badged as a 427...didn't make no sense..You could tell big as sht that it was far from a FE .. Maybe it's just for show...
All in all about 120 cars,...
As for me,...I..........cant tell ya. There was interest, but it was modest....people mostly stayed in their lanes....If they were there with a classic group,..they stayed together.. same for the II goobers,...the S 197 vermin, and the "buy it and show it" S 550 horde that included Shelbys, Roush(s) and several customs.......I left early.
(I took this pic from the local Mustang club's FB page recounting the day)....This was an "awesome turnout" pic taken by a member while all of those drivers were in line to register.
I knew that the chances of the Monster winning anything was slim, and definitely would not bring home the grand prize given the contingent of S550-ites that were in attendance. Besides,....Why would anybody choose a Fairmont over the likes of a flawless 56 Vicky? Or that altered wheelbase T bolt? or any number of other mid 60's fairlanes, and then go on to pick the lowly Monster over the standard when this was a peoples choice?
I'm never the peoples choice.
I mean what was left to do? I'd been there 4 hours already. It was just like any other cruise in, but with more rare cars. It was free to get in,..the food and drinks were free, and they had a DJ blaring 50's, 60's, and 70's music all day, it was 86 degrees, and the cars were on black top......... there was only so much fun to be had.
Besides,.....the weird junk happened on the way there and back anyway.
When I got the oil pump back, I changed out the oil to a 5/30 syn. Driving it there, the thing was showing me a really low pressure at cruise...What was normally 56 p.s.i. at RPM was now 35 p.s.i. It would dip into the teens at idle.
On the way home, I took the long way, and that meant that it would sit in traffic. The engine was probably getting up to the 205* temp range. I looked down at the OP gauge and was shocked to see 5-6 p.s.i. I stepped on the gas to bring the idle speed up a little and it jumps up back into the teens. And once I pull off from the light, pressure builds back again....I'm thinkin that I'm low on oil.
So,...Considering that I might be low on oil,...I did what anybody would do to get the car home safely,.....I slowly rolled away from the light,....and floored it... Smoked the tires through 2nd gear, and upset all of the local suburbanites out for their saturday Pre-Easter shopping ritual..
Remember,...this thing has a goofy pan with who knows how much capacity added as a result of the out riggers that I added to the pan. The dipstick is also non-stock. All I know for sure is that stock 250's (that have a front sump pan) take 5 +1 qts. So that is how much oil I put in mine.
But I got this stupid front sump that nothing sits in trapping 1/3rd- 1/2 a qt when it's sitting at idle,....and who knows how much capacity is used up by the external oil cooler routing....Maybe a whole qt besides what the filter is holding is moving outside of the engine when it's running........then depending on how much oil is running through the engine internally and not draining back fast enough.............I added another qt. Now there's 7+ in the system. Couple that to the fact,..that this is a synthetic,.....maybe that junk thins to water viscosity when it gets hot....
I'll drive it today for a brief spell to see if life returns to normal, but if it don't.......I got a problem somewhere. Or maybe The Monster don't like fake oil.
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Ok, I have to ask, why 5w/30 ? The tubo, belt drive oil pump, what?
I agree with the belly button 'buy a new stang, throw some wheels on it, maybe a chrome thingy and talk it to a car show bs.
People really don't respect genius, or what it takes to create a monster,
You will always be #2 on my list,
I agree with the belly button 'buy a new stang, throw some wheels on it, maybe a chrome thingy and talk it to a car show bs.
People really don't respect genius, or what it takes to create a monster,
You will always be #2 on my list,
I don't know,.....There was an SAE30wt in there as a break-in oil....the Monster liked that. I don't think that syn's come is a straight weight. Now in retrospect,...I'll bet that is the problem though.Ok, I have to ask, why 5w/30 ? The tubo, belt drive oil pump, what?
I agree with the belly button 'buy a new stang, throw some wheels on it, maybe a chrome thingy and talk it to a car show bs.
People really don't respect genius, or what it takes to create a monster,
You will always be #2 on my list,
I'm a fan of the theory that it takes power away from the engine to pump a thick oil through it, and the benefits that come from a full synthetic w/ regard to resistance to thermal breakdown is better in an engine that has a turbo hanging on it. However,..that is the only thing that changed here, and 5 p.s.i at hot idle is too scary to allow to go further.
The problem w/ the Monster is that people don't know to what extent stuff has been changed on the car....Time after time I got the guy that told me that he had never seen a Mercury Cyclone... (To which I'd tell them that they still hadn't)
I don't know where the car will find it's audience,..but it's not at a Mustang show....I can tell you that.
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Maybe try a bigger show like a Car Craft event,
We used to go to the local once a month downtown car show here but it was a family affair, her dad had a stock 51 chevy that I loved to drive, 6cyl, 3 'on the tree' and a 63 or 4 SS impala small block auto, her brother has a 55 shoe box and a 5 window chev pickup, I was the lone blue blood with a restored 92 50 lx vert, most times I drove the 51 so they wouldn't pick on me.
One guy bought a new corvette every couple years and would take bos every time,
Your in the wrong place, like minds and all.
Remember:
You sell beamers (or is it beemers)
You drive a mini
You built a monster (a gila monster at that)
We used to go to the local once a month downtown car show here but it was a family affair, her dad had a stock 51 chevy that I loved to drive, 6cyl, 3 'on the tree' and a 63 or 4 SS impala small block auto, her brother has a 55 shoe box and a 5 window chev pickup, I was the lone blue blood with a restored 92 50 lx vert, most times I drove the 51 so they wouldn't pick on me.
One guy bought a new corvette every couple years and would take bos every time,
Your in the wrong place, like minds and all.
Remember:
You sell beamers (or is it beemers)
You drive a mini
You built a monster (a gila monster at that)
You need one of those boards that spells out what's been done. I think they're goofy for 99% of the cars at most shows but yours is the 1%.
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