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1986 5.0 Efi Issue

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1986 5.0 EFI only has 55k miles, auto trans. Ran GREAT for years with regular maintenance and is mostly stock. Has a drop in K&N filter and full magnaflow exhaust. Everything else stock and well maintained.

Recently the car has required a much longer crank to start. Used to fire up right away. Now suddenly requires priming the pumps, then cranking 2 or 3 times for it to start. Once started the idle is rough, choppy and occasionally stalls. While driving even with partial throttle the car feels totally gutless, occasionally intake backfires. WOT the car has absolutely no power like it used to. All around the car just runs totally wrong and choppy/rough. Even once I reach a good cruising speed the car will just out of no where feel like it hit a brick wall for a split second then continue normally. NO CODES.
I've searched forums and found nothing that solved the issue thus far. Any ideas?
 

v8stang289

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Have you checked your fuel pressure? Sounds a lot like what mine was doing when the fuel pressure was around 25psi. It should be around 38-40psi, at idle and under load.
 

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Did you at least get the self check ok code? If not you have issues. @jrichker can hopefully chime in.
 
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There's nothing to do until we have your fuel pressure and volume test results. Also, if you can access your fuel pressure regulator, pull the vacuum hose off and see if there is any fuel present at the vacuum port that would indicate a blown diaphragm. Check the engine coolant sensor connector for signs of corrosion as well.
 

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Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader 3145.
It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $22-$36.
 

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I will check the fuel pressure later this evening and send an update.

No fuel is present in the vaccum port at the fuel regulator.
On the test the only thing I got was an old EGR code. So I searched through the maintenance records and mechanics advised EGR replacement due to a small hole but service was declined. However these symptoms don't tell me this is simply an EGR issue.
 

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sounds like your fuel pump is on its way out.
 
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^^^thats what my thought was.
 
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