Engine 1986 no start

Magnet86

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Jul 21, 2018
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After nearly two years of constant repair and fixing this junk car, massive cooling issues, fuel system, timing, idle speed, cooling again, and on and on, I finally have it back together, no oil or coolant leaks. Battery was unplugged for many months while I waited for warmer temps. Car is outside in the driveway. All hooked up and no start. No crank. Replaced the starter relay as the one on the car tested bad. It was a Motorcraft unit. Same result. No crank. Just a muffled thump from somewhere either in the dash or left side of engine bay. All wires hooked up, nothing broken, no fusible links melted- I checked everything.

I don't understand how it breaks just sitting there unused. I really think its dead. Take to graveyard kind of dead. JUNK. Any ideas? Twelve gauge to the engine? I would really enjoy that. I've had enough and refuse to spend one more dime on this turd. It ran fine in December. All I repaired was the timing cover gasket and the water pump and gaskets. Didn't mess with any wiring. Bad grounds? Which ones? They look fine to me. Besides- I didn't mess with any of them. Fix or repair daily. When I hear that now I agree and buy the jerk a beer. Because he's right. What a waste of space.
 
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No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 24-Oct-2013 to update voltage drop figures.

No crank, slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are grouped together.
Use the same initial group of tests to find the root cause of slow crank, no crank and stuck solenoid problems.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery for low charge and dead cells. A good battery will measure 12-13 volts at full charge with the ignition switch in the Run position but without the engine running.
A voltmeter placed across the battery terminals should show a minimum of 9.5-10 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position and the starter engages or tries to engage. Less than this will result in a clicking solenoid, or slow cranking (if it cranks at all) or a starter solenoid that sticks and welds the contacts together.

Most auto parts stores will check your battery for free. It does not have to be installed in the car to have it checked; you can carry it with you to the auto parts store.

The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or battery post cleaner tool. This little trick will fix a surprising number of no start problems.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a known problem causer. Any place you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Corroded connections do not conduct electricity well. Avoid them like the plague...

If the starter solenoid welds the contacts, then the starter will attempt to run anytime there is power in the battery. The cables and solenoid will get very hot, and may even start smoking. The temporary fix for a welded starter solenoid is to disconnect the battery and smack the back of the solenoid housing a sharp blow with a hammer. This may cause the contacts to unstick and work normally for a while.


A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .25 volts across a connection indicates a problem. The voltage drop tests need to be done while cranking the engine. It's the current flowing through a connection or wire that causes the voltage drop.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .

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Voltage drops should not exceed the following:
200 mV Wire or cable
300 mV Switch or solenoid
100 mV Ground
0.0V Connections
A voltage drop lower that spec is always acceptable.

2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean them up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter solenoid next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

The rest of the tech note only concerns no crank problems. If your problem was a stuck solenoid, go back to step 1.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang
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Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
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Electrical checks for the switches and starter solenoid

Remove the small red/blue wire from the starter solenoid. Use a screwdriver to bridge the connection from the battery positive connection on the starter solenoid to the small screw where the red/blue wire was connected. The starter should crank the engine. If it does not, the starter solenoid is defective or the battery lacks sufficient charge to crank the engine.

If the starter does crank the engine, the problem is in the clutch safety circuit (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) or ignition switch.


See the Typical start circuit diagram above for wiring information for troubleshooting.

You will need a voltmeter or test lamp for the rest of the checks. Connect one lead of the voltmeter or test lamp to ground. The other lead will connect to the item under test.
Look for 12 volts on the white/pink wire when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position. Check the ignition switch first.
No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

The next step will require you to push the clutch pedal to the floor (5 speed) or put the transmission in neutral (auto trans) while the ignition switch is turned to the Start position.
Good 12 volts, check the clutch safety switch (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) for good 12 volts on both sides of the switches. No 12 volts on both sides of the switch and the switches are defective or out of adjustment. Check the wiring for bad connections while you are at it.
 
The Ford boys took four days to charge the battery. It was a little low. Now reads 13 plus volts. But did I mention I'm Polish? Seems I forgot to reconnect the ground wire that connects to the timing cover. The part that has aggravated me for the better part of a year. Off and on the car many times. So once reattached, car did start but ran horribly. Again, Polish. Somehow the MAP sensor vac hose came off and once reconnected, car seems to run quite well. Good idle speed and purrs nice. Now just need to get enough coolant in it, get the air out, and (easy my heart) test drive it. Just wish it wouldn't leak. Oil, coolant, power steering fluid, etc.
 
Actually drove the thing. Twice down the block and back. Ran really good. Loads of power. Just need to adjust the idle speed voltage. Now I get to use the breakout box I bought many months ago. Longer road test in the near future. Topped it off with fresh gas to boot. Its difficult not to smile. And no codes. Well, both are 11!
 
Got to use the breakout box I picked up last year. Wanted to check the throttle position sensor reading. It was good, no adjustment needed although I did have to find a new spot for the computer ground wire. Very important ground. Now I need to use another toy I found- the Monitor. Just reading the manual that goes with it makes me drool. But the one I bought was missing the switchbox. So if anyone happens to have one they wouldn't mind parting with, I sure could use it. I don't have a picture of it but it is small, maybe twice as big as a 9 volt battery with two electrical prongs on one end plus a small button on the other. Most folks have no idea what I'm talking about but maybe someone does. Thanks much.
 
And if anyone is interested...
Managed to hook up the EEC Monitor I found last year. A little struggle to actually connect it but not too bad. Quite fun. As the car has no problems or codes I just wanted to test it and see what it can do for me. Waiting on a replacement throttle cable as the original finally just won't stay on the throttle. Should have it swapped out this weekend. Hopefully no rain and then test drive for real.
 
And finally I road tested this dog of a car. Ran well. Topped off the tank and drove around town, then out on a state route with little traffic and highway speeds. Car ran beautiful. Plenty of power, smooth idle and acceleration, and sounds wonderful. It ought to- fuel system, cooling system (twice), ignition and timing, numerous gaskets, relocated TFI, timing chain, some emissions items, and some other small items over two years.

Thanks for the help and advice. Let's hope it stays ready to run. Picked up some goodies at Carlisle so on to some interior projects like the headliner and maybe install the hatch release just because I want to. And then paint and body.. oh dear. I'll post pics sometime.

Cheers.
 
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