It may not be worth the money to us, but for some people they want to keep their car legal and have a legal inspection sticker and it is worth it to them. I personally haven't had my car inspected since November 2005 so I could care less
The difference is...to separate your money from your wallet. These aren't the old pellet style converters from the '70's. Money best spent else where
http://www.kennybrown.com/endorse_exhaust.cfm
kenny brown dyno tested the mrt catted h pipe at 9 rwhp and it sounds wicked as well
The cats are roughly half the size of the stockers
the mid pipe makes a HUGE diffrence in how the car will sound
and it really is opinionated as to whether or not its worth the cost to me it was/is
If your buying a catted pipe its for the street and if its for the street you are most likely going for sound not necessarily peak hp numbers
lets evaluate the diffrences between the 2 mid pipes
500- MRT
175 - Pypes
Pypes is alumiminuzed (sp?)
MRT is stainless whether you buy the $450 or $500 grades
Pypes has no cats so to truly compare add roughly $200 to the price
That brings pypes up to a minimum of 375 and since stainless is always roughly $100 more than aluminized im not seeing their price as out of line at all
HELLO !!! You're missing the point again.. As I'm not comparing the MRT with the Pypes off road.. I'm comparing the MRT, with the FACTORY H-PIPE, in which is both legal and low restrictive to begin with..And after reading you're post, concerning Kenny Brown's dyno results.. I've decided that from both a performance and sound standpoint..That it would be in my best interest, to keep the factory cats and upgrade to MAC axle backs for sound..Although I have not heard the MRT H-pipe in person.. I have heard the MAC axle backs, and have noticed a very huge improvement in sound, over the stock mufflers...and speaking of which ! have you actually heard the MRT in person, or only in a sound clip ? because if you haven't heard it in person.. You're making a very huge mistake, if you purchase the MRT based from a sound clip, that you've heard..However, before reading Kenny Brown's dyno results.. I was seriously considering the MRT, until discovering that, only 9 rwhp over the factory exhaust ? just isn't worth paying $500.00, despite it's 304 Stainless Steel construction.. As the factory H-pipe, is made from 409 Stainless Steel as is..And yes, not all of us are made of money, and can afford both a daily driver, and a play toy at the same time..Which is exactly my purpose for keeping the factory exhaust, and upgrading to the MAC axle backs, instead of the MRT catted H..And finally, I also wouldn't put too much stock, in Kenny Brown either.. As, he's pretty much been battling a very serious illness, for well over a year now, in which there are still no updates on his progress, nor if and when he'll be back ? In the meantime, I'd also be very interested, in checking out the dyno results, from perhaps some of our other vendors, who may have already dyno tested the MRT catted H ? and also for those, who still plan on dyno testing, as well..the mrt is legal whereas the pypes is not
not all of us are made of money and can afford to have a daily driver and a play car
btw you will not get the same sound with mac axle backs as the mrt h pipe have you even heard this mid pipe before?
Wow lol look what I started. I still am sticking to what I said. The only real way to prove it is to buy an h or x pipe that comes with the high-flow cats, and also tubes to go in their place. You know, one of the ones where the high-flow cats are optional. I just may purchase such a piece in a few months. If I do so, I'll be sure to post the dyno findings. In the end, the off road pipe may have just as much peak horsepower, "possibly" a little more, but I can guarantee that with a straight-thru muffler, the torque curve on the high-flow cat part will look a lot better. The Pypes off road H pipe was dynoed with stock mufflers, which are chambered, and maintain a bit of backpressure. I was talking about having an off road pipe and straight thru mufflers. There's a bit of a difference there, too.
I am running the MRT h pipe with pypes violators so yes I know exactly how they sound lol
deepest non header system ive ever heard on the 197's
So which is my best option Darkfire ? First of all, I plan on sticking with a chambered muffler, such as either my stock axle backs, FRPP/GTA's, or MAC axle backs..So once again, my question is this.. if in the event, I decide to run the Pypes off road H, would I still lose low and midrange power, with a chambered muffler ? and if so..would you then recommend sticking with the factory H-pipe
With a chambered muffler, I don't think there would be any power loss with an off-road pipe. In the end, just go with whatever sounds best to you. You're going to be listening to your car a lot more than racing it.
Now just how do you figure that high-flow cats, will yield better horsepower over an off road pipe ? when even a higher flowing cat, is still never the less, considered as an air-flow restriction when compared to a straight pipe, which doesn't obstruct airflow at all. Your statement concerning the 05 losing a bit with the o/r pipe and straight-thru mufflers, not only doesn't make any logical sense ! but also goes against the laws of physics as well.. In fact, you should take a look at Brenspeed's website, in which Dynotech conducted an un-biased 3rd party dyno test, proving the Pypes off road H-pipe, produced an additional 8 HP at 5000 RPM, along with 10 additional ft. lbs. torque on the dyno. Although 8-10 HP, may not be considered as a huge gain ? it's certainly a far cry, from losing power as you previously stated.
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