50 vs z28
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They trap 7-10 mph faster than you.
jhonda
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Them cars are fast, I had a 95 t/a w/ lt1 6 spd, full msd ignition 3in y pipe to eddlebrock catback w/ eddlebrock longtubes set of richmond 4:10's.Them rears r pos, I had a hard launch one time comeing back from down the shore n shredded r/p Had to aaa it home... My friend has a 89 lx w/ explorer motor 4:10's and full exhaust. I had a bad opti and still pulled away from him with ease.. Get er wet. or just slap a 351 in that betch.
I dont know how to install gears so I had them put in and the labor was $250, including rebuilding the traction loc unit.
I bought used gears for $100 but bought everything else new.
jhonda
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I've seen bone stock LS1 cars run 12.90s on slicks and i've seen stock 5.0s running 13.90s on slicks as well...a lot of it is how you drive it but i say you've got a whole second of ET to make up for.
Stock and Stock, the fox body mustang and LS1 camaro aren't in the same class. A near 20 year old car V. a 10 year old car, $17K price new V. $30K new, 225hp V. 325hp.
Its going to take alot of money to run the pace of the F-body. Gears and a MAF aren't going to get it done. You need a dramatic gain in HP to even come close.
Its going to take alot of money to run the pace of the F-body. Gears and a MAF aren't going to get it done. You need a dramatic gain in HP to even come close.
Not to nit pick but 93+ LT1 came with a 6-speed stick or 4-speed auto and when I did gears in my 94 Formula 4.10's were not avaliable, only 4.11's
EPIK
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The only way to beat an LSx is with another LSx
Or a 32V Mach 1.... Those LS1's are fast, but Ive beat a couple of em with my 03 Mach...Granted Both were near stock & one was a heavy a$$ 04 GTO, but i still beat em...Now, in a 87-95 5.0, its gonna take quite a few mods to do so, but IMO u cant really compare the 2....I think a good HCI & gears would do the job pretty well, or at least give a stock LS1 a run for its money...If its a modded LS1, then forget about...
jhonda
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http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?resultpage=8&carmodel=150&data1=1996&op1=>=&data2=1000&op2=<=&search2=et&days=10000000&stock=&resultsperpage=10&carmake=8
EXAMPLES
1) 13.470 105.700 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2000
2) 13.480*# 104.740 8.786 83.090 2.162 88.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 2001
3) 13.485* 102.780 8.713 83.060 2.059 55.0 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2002
4) 13.500 105.250 9.160 83.180 2.360 58.0 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2002
5) 13.530 104.600 8.850 82.200 2.200 62.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 2000
6) 13.590 106.290 8.780 83.670 2.136 72.0 Chevrolet Camaro 2000
7) 13.622* 101.660 8.802 82.180 2.096 60.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
9) 13.698 102.910 8.926 80.900 2.079 167.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
10)13.720* 106.800 9.152 79.100 2.320 60.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1996
11)13.831 101.390 8.946 79.930 2.101 60.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1997
12)14.350*# 98.910 9.401 79.350 2.352 Chevrolet Camaro z28 1999
13)14.360 97.892 2.290 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1997
14)14.015 101.800 9.216 80.210 2.394 68.0 Chevrolet Camaro SS Manua2000
1)stock
2)stock
3)gears
4)shifter gears
5)stock
6)Stright pipes?
7)stock
9)exhaust
10)shifter gears panhard bar,longtube headers, offroadpipe,catback,intake,alum driveshaft
11)shifter gears
12)stock
13)gears, pulleys, 1.6roller rockers
14)stock
so it is not impossible to beat a ls1 camaro with a few bolt ons
EXAMPLES
1) 13.470 105.700 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2000
2) 13.480*# 104.740 8.786 83.090 2.162 88.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 2001
3) 13.485* 102.780 8.713 83.060 2.059 55.0 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2002
4) 13.500 105.250 9.160 83.180 2.360 58.0 Chevrolet Camaro SS 2002
5) 13.530 104.600 8.850 82.200 2.200 62.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 2000
6) 13.590 106.290 8.780 83.670 2.136 72.0 Chevrolet Camaro 2000
7) 13.622* 101.660 8.802 82.180 2.096 60.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
9) 13.698 102.910 8.926 80.900 2.079 167.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
10)13.720* 106.800 9.152 79.100 2.320 60.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1996
11)13.831 101.390 8.946 79.930 2.101 60.0 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1997
12)14.350*# 98.910 9.401 79.350 2.352 Chevrolet Camaro z28 1999
13)14.360 97.892 2.290 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1997
14)14.015 101.800 9.216 80.210 2.394 68.0 Chevrolet Camaro SS Manua2000
1)stock
2)stock
3)gears
4)shifter gears
5)stock
6)Stright pipes?
7)stock
9)exhaust
10)shifter gears panhard bar,longtube headers, offroadpipe,catback,intake,alum driveshaft
11)shifter gears
12)stock
13)gears, pulleys, 1.6roller rockers
14)stock
so it is not impossible to beat a ls1 camaro with a few bolt ons
Not to nit pick but 93+ LT1 came with a 6-speed stick or 4-speed auto and when I did gears in my 94 Formula 4.10's were not avaliable, only 4.11's
Correct about the t-56 and i must have misstyped ( it was late in the night when i typed it) But i had a set of richmond 4:10's in my 95, Along w/ new oil seals axle bearing carrier bearing pinion bearing etc. It was a fresh rebuild. Made a nice difference. I did end up breaking my trans mount on the car. 4:11's ? I got some old pics of the car when i first got it. Here yee go
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Needed a lil touch up here n their. But man that shi* was fast.... Then some a hole pulled out in front of me in the rain. and that was the end of it
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blackened88lx
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This is a very hard point to discuss due to ignorance and run ins with crappy drivers. A lot of people have taken ls1's with bolt on foxes because of driver error, or the ls1 in question is a complete pile. Notice most of the 1/4 times posted were 13.40s-13.50s with a 2.1 or worse 60ft. So with a decent driver and a better short time, you're looking at 12s out of the box or with very mild mods. Like mentioned, most foxes struggle to get in the 13s with bolt ons. You're looking at 100hp and 1 sec difference. The average fox is going to need h/c/i and bolt ons to take a good running ls1 with a decent driver. If he's got bolt ons, gears and tires then you're gonna have a much tougher time. If he's got so much as a cam and a tune you might as well just wave and tell him nice car.
jhonda
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I am just being the devils advocate. It is possible for a bolt on foxbody to beat a STOCK LS1. I am not saying everyone in a fox can beat one but a good driver, and about 1000 dollors or less in the right mods can do it.
Id say it can be dont with Bolts on and a good set of tires. Traction is was wins street races. The ones i have bet have been bad drivers. If you can luanch a car good on the street and have a few good bolt ons you should have a problem with a bone stock Ls1 car. F body's are boat anchors, the are about 600-700lbs heavier then foxes so that makes up for the less hp the fox puts out.
The ls1's could be had for 22k in '98. Particularly the 1LE package.
jhonda - Those stock times are not impressive at all for the ls1. I have been around several of each and raced/drove several of each. You are going to need h/c/i to actually compete or beat an ls1, and not do any weight saving mods.
Driver vs. Driver, LS1 > Bolt-On Fox.
No, God did not make the ls1
But, from the factory there is no need to compare in my opinion.
