Thanks for all the help guys. I'll try to get to a better prepped track to see what they will do. I think that is why the 60' times aren't that good. BTW the Nitto DR's are the best rain tire I have ever had. They hook the road so well for some reason. Even with the Monsoon rains we've had the last couple of days here in the South. Anybody else think they are good in the rain too?