Engine 89 GT Dies at idle, surging around 1-1.5k while cruising

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Hey all,

Recently picked up an 89 GT. I've found lots of info around the forum that has helped me fix some issues so far. I'm now getting into the tougher stuff.

It usually takes two to three tries, sometimes more to start the engine, while pumping the gas, regardless of cold or warm start. Idle bounces around 5-600 rpm and will usually stall unless I run it for a min or so at 1.5k rpm before driving. During this, some popping (backfiring through the intake?) Low speed maneuvers result in the power steering stalling the engine. While driving, in any gear, I get horrible surging at around 1.2k. Sometimes the check engine light comes on, sometimes it doesn't. I feel like it may run smoother when the CE light is on, but I could be wrong. Known issues I have that could be contributing, I currently am missing the fender side (bottom) of the air cleaner assembly. I'm waiting on a new one to be shipped, should arrive monday.

I dumped the codes this afternoon:

KOEO:
29c - insufficient input from VSS/insuf input from programable speedo/odo module
34c - insufficient EGR flow/EVP/PFE voltage
41c/91c - HEGO out of range/lean | no HO2S switching (r/l respectively)
87c - fuel pump primary circuit fault
96c - fuel pump secondary circuit felt/high speed fuel pump relay open

KOER:
41r/91r - HEGO sensor voltage low/system lean (r/l respectively)

Based on what I have read on the forum from solutions to similar problems, my plan of attack so far is to get a vacuum pump tomorrow and start with troubleshooting the EGR, if I understood correctly, solving this could clear up my O2 codes as well. I am completely new to all of this, and looking for any input on what my order of attack should be on these issues. Please let me know if I have the right idea, or if there is another way I should go about this.

Thanks in advance for any assistance, and for all the great info already on the site!

George
 
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Code 29 - Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) is an electronic sender mounted on the speedo pickup gear on the trans. It works the cruse control for both 5 speed and auto trans cars. The VSS is used to tell the computer to speed up the idle as you slow to a stop. This helps keep the engine from stalling when you slow down for a stop sign or stop light.
Check to see if the electrical connector is plugged into it. Clean the connector & contacts with non flammable brake parts cleaner prior to replacing the sensor, as that may fix the problem. The sensor cost is under $30 and it is easy to replace.


Code 34 Or 334 - EGR voltage above closed limit –

Revised 26-Sep-2011 to add EGR cleaning and movement test for pintle when vacuum is applied to diaphragm

Failed sensor, carbon between EGR pintle valve and seat holding the valve off its seat. Remove the EGR valve and clean it with carbon remover. Prior to re-installing see if you can blow air through the flange side of the EGR by mouth. If it leaks, there is carbon stuck on the pintle valve seat clean or, replace the EGR valve ($85-$95).

Recommended procedure for cleaning the EGR:
Conventional cleaning methods like throttle body cleaner aren’t very effective. The best method is a soak type cleaner used for carburetors. If you are into fixing motorcycles, jet skis, snowmobiles or anything else with a small carburetor, you probably have used the one gallon soak cleaners like Gunk or Berryman. One of the two should be available at your local auto parts store for $22-$29. There is a basket to set the parts in while they are soaking. Soak the metal body in the carb cleaner overnight. Don’t immerse the diaphragm side, since the carb cleaner may damage the diaphragm. If you get any of the carb cleaner on the diaphragm, rinse it off with water immediately. Rinse the part off with water and blow it dry with compressed air. Once it has dried, try blowing through the either hole and it should block the air flow. Do not put parts with water on them or in them in the carb cleaner. If you do, it will weaken the carb cleaner and it won’t clean as effectively.

Gunk Dip type carb & parts soaker:
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If you have a handy vacuum source, apply it to the diaphragm and watch to see if the pintle moves freely. Try blowing air through either side and make sure it flows when the pintle retracts and blocks when the pintle is seated. If it does not, replace the EGR.


If the blow by test passes, and you have replaced the sensor, then you have electrical ground problems. Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the MAP/BARO sensor and then the black/white wire on the EGR and the same wire on the TPS. It should be less than 1.5 ohm. Next check the resistance between the black/white wire and the negative battery post. It should be less than 1.5 ohm.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.

Let’s put on our Inspector Gadget propeller head beanies and think about how this works:
The EGR sensor is a variable resistor with ground on one leg and Vref (5 volts) on the other. Its’ resistance ranges from 4000 to 5500 Ohms measured between Vref & ground, depending on the sensor. The center connection of the variable resistor is the slider that moves in response to the amount of vacuum applied. The slider has some minimum value of resistance greater than 100 ohms so that the computer always sees a voltage present at its’ input. If the value was 0 ohms, there would be no voltage output. Then the computer would not be able to distinguish between a properly functioning sensor and one that had a broken wire or bad connection. The EGR I have in hand reads 700 Ohms between the slider (EPV) and ground (SIG RTN) at rest with no vacuum applied. The EGR valve or sensor may cause the voltage to be above closed limits due to the manufacturing tolerances that cause the EGR sensor to rest at a higher position than it should.

The following sensors are connected to the white 10 pin connector (salt & pepper engine harness connectors)
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This will affect idle quality by diluting the intake air charge




Code 41 or 91. Or 43 Three digit code 172 or 176 - O2 sensor indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.

Revised 24 Aug 2018
1.) To correct the RH & LH mismatch on 91-93 5.0 Mustangs
2.) To add Tmoss’ wiring diagrams for 88-95 Mustangs


Code 41 is the passenger side sensor, as viewed from the driver's seat.
Code 91 is the driver side sensor, as viewed from the driver's seat.

Code 172 is the passenger side sensor as viewed from the driver's seat.
Code 176 is the driver side sensor, as viewed from the driver's seat.

Code 43 is not side specific according to the Probst Ford Fuel injection book.

The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel. Many times the end result is an engine that runs pig rich and stinks of unburned fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:

"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.
When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.
Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Testing the O2 sensors 87-93 5.0 Mustangs

Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear.


Disconnect the O2 sensor from the harness and use the body side O2 sensor harness as the starting point for testing. Do not measure the resistance of the O2 sensor, you may damage it. Resistance measurements for the O2 sensor harness are made with one meter lead on the O2 sensor harness and the other meter lead on the computer wire or pin for the O2 sensor.
Computer wiring harness connector, computer side.
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Backside view of the computer wiring connector:
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87-90 5.0 Mustangs:
Computer pin 43 Dark blue/Lt green – LH O2 sensor
Computer pin 29 Dark Green/Pink – RH O2 sensor

The computer pins are 29 (RH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (LH O2 with a dark blue/lt green wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.


91-93 5.0 Mustangs:
Computer pin 43 Red/Black – LH O2 sensor
Computer pin 29 Gray/Lt blue – RH O2 sensor

The computer pins are 29 (RH O2 with a Gray/Lt blue wire) and 43 (LH O2 with a Red/Black wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.


94-95 5.0 Mustangs; note that the 94-95 uses a 4 wire O2 sensor.
The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a red/black wire) and 27 (RH O2 with a gray/lt blue wire). Use pin 32 (gray/red wire) to ground the voltmeter. . The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.


Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them.

Testing the O2 sensor wiring harness
Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer. Using the Low Ohms range (usually 200 Ohms) you should see less than 1.5 Ohms.



87-90 5.0 Mustangs:
Computer pin 43 Dark blue/Lt green – LH O2 sensor
Computer pin 29 Dark Green/Pink – RH O2 sensor
Disconnect the connector from the O2 sensor and measure the resistance:
From the Dark blue/Lt green wire in the LH O2 sensor harness and the Dark blue/Lt green wire on the computer pin 43
From the Dark Green/Pink wire on the RH O2 sensor harness and the Dark Green/Pink wire on the computer pin 29


91-93 5.0 Mustangs:
Computer pin 43 Red/Black – LH O2 sensor
Computer pin 29 Gray/Lt blue – RH O2 sensor
Disconnect the connector from the O2 sensor and measure the resistance:
From the Red/Black wire in the LH O2 sensor harness and the Red/Black wire on the computer pin 43
From the Gray/Lt blue wire on the RH O2 sensor harness and the Gray/Lt blue wire on the computer pin 29

94-95 5.0 Mustangs:
Computer pin 29 Red/Black – LH O2 sensor
Computer pin 27 Gray/Lt blue – RH O2 sensor
From the Red/Black wire in the LH O2 sensor harness and the Red/Black wire on the computer pin 29
From the Dark Green/Pink Gray/Lt blue wire on the RH O2 sensor harness and the Gray/Lt blue wire on the computer pin 27


There is a connector between the body harness and the O2 sensor harness. Make sure the connectors are mated together, the contacts and wiring are not damaged, and the contacts are clean and not coated with oil.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts

Check the fuel pressure – the fuel pressure is 37-41 PSI with the vacuum disconnected and the engine idling. Fuel pressure out of range can cause the 41 & 91 codes together. It will not cause a single code, only both codes together.

Make sure you have the proper 3 wire O2 sensors. Only the 4 cylinder cars used a 4 wire sensor, which is not compatible with the V8 wiring harness. The exception is that the 94-95 uses a 4 wire O2 sensor.

Replace the O2 sensors in pairs if replacement is indicated. If one is weak or bad, the other one probably isn't far behind.

Code 41 can also be due to carbon plugging the driver’s side Thermactor air crossover tube on the back of the engine. The tube fills up with carbon and does not pass air to the driver’s side head ports. This puts an excess amount of air in the passenger side exhaust and can set the code 41. Remove the tube and clean it out so that both sides get good airflow: this may be more difficult than it sounds. You need something like a mini rotor-rooter to do the job because of the curves in the tube. Something like the outer spiral jacket of a flexible push-pull cable may be the thing that does the trick.

If you get only code 41 and have changed the sensor, look for vacuum leaks. This is especially true if you are having idle problems. The small plastic tubing is very brittle after many years of the heating it receives. Replace the tubing and check the PVC and the hoses connected to it.

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 94-95 Mustangs
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Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 91-93 Mass Air Mustangs
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Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-90 Mass Air Mustangs
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Code 87 – fuel pump primary circuit failure. The fuel pump lost power while the engine was running. Check fuel pump relay, check inertia switch, wiring to/from inertia switch, red wire going to inertia switch for +12volts. Check the other side of inertia switch for +12 volts.

Diagram of the fuel pump wiring for 86-90 cars
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Diagram of the fuel pump wiring for 91-93 cars.
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[Code 96 for 86-90 model 5.0 Mustang – KOEO- Fuel pump monitor circuit shows no power - Fuel pump relay or battery power feed was open - Power / Fuel Pump Circuits. The fuel pump lost power at some time while the ignition switch was in the run position. The main power feed to the pump is what is losing power.

Look for a failing fuel pump relay, bad connections or broken wiring. The fuel pump relay is located under the passenger seat. On Mass Air Conversions, the signal lead that tells the computer that the fuel pump has power may not have been wired correctly.
See http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html

Look for power at the fuel pump - the fuel pump has a connector at the rear of the car with a pink/black wire and a black wire that goes to the fuel pump. The pink/black wire should be hot when the test connector is jumpered to the test position. . To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground.

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86-90 Models:
Using the diagram, check the red/black wire from the fuel pump relay: you should see 12 volts or so. If not, check the inertia switch: on a hatch it is on the drivers side by the taillight. Look for a black rubber plug that pops out: if you don't find it, then loosen up the plastic trim. Check for voltage on both sides of the switch. If there is voltage on both sides, then check the Pink/black wire on the fuel pump relay: it is the power feed to the fuel pump. Good voltage there, then the fuel pump body to tank wiring harness connector is the likely culprit since it is getting power. No voltage there, check the Orange/Lt blue wire, it is the power feed to the fuel pump relay & has a fuse link in it. Good voltage there & at the Pink/black wire, swap the relay.

Keep in mind that the relay wiring and socket can also cause intermittent problems. Clean the relay socket with non-flammable brake parts cleaner or electrical contact cleaner. If you find damaged wiring at the relay socket, replacement pigtail socket assemblies are available at the auto parts stores. Be sure to solder the wires and cover the solder joints with heat shrink tubing if you replace the relay socket.



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Using the diagram, check the red/black wire from the fuel pump relay: you should see 12 volts or so. If not, check the inertia switch: on a hatch it is on the drivers side by the taillight. Look for a black rubber plug that pops out: if you don't find it, then loosen up the plastic trim. Check for voltage on both sides of the switch. If there is voltage on both sides, then check the Pink/black wire on the fuel pump relay: it is the power feed to the fuel pump. No voltage there, check the Orange/Lt blue wire, it is the power feed to the fuel pump relay & has a fuse link in it. Good voltage there & at the Pink/black wire, swap the relay.


Once you have taken corrective action, you must clear the codes.

How to clear codes.
Clearing the codes by pressing a button on the scan tool or disconnecting the test jumper used to start the code dump does not erase the “learned settings”. All it does is erase the stored codes in memory.

You must clear the codes anytime you replace any sensor. The following tells you how and is different from the method above
Clear the computer codes by disconnecting the battery negative terminal and turn the headlights on. Turn the headlights off and reconnect the all sensors including the MAF and anything else you may have disconnected. Then reconnect the battery negative cable.. This clears all spurious codes may have been generated while troubleshooting problems. It also clears the adaptive settings that the computer "learns" as it operates. Clearing the codes does not fix the code problems, it just gives you a clean slate to start recording what the computer sees happening.

Run the car for at least 30 minutes of driving and dump the codes again to assure that you have fixed the code problem or sensor problem. This is necessary for the computer to relearn the adaptive settings that the computer uses for proper operation. The engine may run rough at first, but should smooth out as it runs for the 15-20 minute learning period.
 

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Thanks for the detailed response! Is there a specific order I should go about addressing these problems? I was planning on troubleshooting the EGR first hoping that that may be the root of the air/fuel issues.
 
I would check for vacuum leaks first. As they could be the cause of most of your problems. Vacuum is required to open the EGR so for instance if you have a broken line going the the EGR solenoid you will have a lean code because the leak and a insufficient EGR flow due to no vacuum to open the valve.

When I got my fox I completely replaced as much as the vacuum system as possible as most of the lines were brittle or broken. It's cheap, easy to do, and solves tons of problems.
 
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Thanks for the detailed response! Is there a specific order I should go about addressing these problems? I was planning on troubleshooting the EGR first hoping that that may be the root of the air/fuel issues.
That's a good place to start. If you find and fix vacuum leaks, it may clear the 41/91 codes.
 
That's a good place to start. If you find and fix vacuum leaks, it may clear the 41/91 codes.

Update***

Warmed up engine. Idled smoothly at about 750 rpm. Removed vacuum line from EGR. No noticeable change in rpms. Attached vacuum pump to egr, applied vacuum. Engine immediately stalled.

Key off resistance black with white wire:
EGR-BAP: ~2.7ohms
EGR-TPS: ~18.0Mohms with steady .02Mohm rise
EGR-neg terminal: ~2.5ohms

These readings are obviously above the 1.5ohm max. What does it all mean and where do I go from here??
 
Update***

Warmed up engine. Idled smoothly at about 750 rpm. Removed vacuum line from EGR. No noticeable change in rpms. Attached vacuum pump to egr, applied vacuum. Engine immediately stalled.

Key off resistance black with white wire:
EGR-BAP: ~2.7ohms
EGR-TPS: ~18.0Mohms with steady .02Mohm rise
EGR-neg terminal: ~2.5ohms

These readings are obviously above the 1.5ohm max. What does it all mean and where do I go from here??

EGR-TPS: ~18.0Mohms with steady .02Mohm rise: There is an open circuit (broken wire or bad connection between the TPS and signal ground. To verify this, measure between the black/wire on the TPS connector and the black/wire on the Map/Baro sensor on the firewall

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.EGR-neg terminal: ~2.5ohms, EGR-BAP: ~2.7ohms: Clean the white 10 pin connector, with special attention to pin #1. Do whatever you can do the tighten up the connection on this pin.

See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.
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EGR-TPS: ~18.0Mohms with steady .02Mohm rise: There is an open circuit (broken wire or bad connection between the TPS and signal ground. To verify this, measure between the black/wire on the TPS connector and the black/wire on the Map/Baro sensor on the firewall

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.EGR-neg terminal: ~2.5ohms, EGR-BAP: ~2.7ohms: Clean the white 10 pin connector, with special attention to pin #1. Do whatever you can do the tighten up the connection on this pin.

See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.
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No reading between TPS-BAP, I’m assuming I’m testing resistance.

It appears I have 10 pin extenders installed. Removed extender and checked all four connection points. All seem clean and to have been recently greased.
 
No reading between TPS-BAP, I’m assuming I’m testing resistance.

It appears I have 10 pin extenders installed. Removed extender and checked all four connection points. All seem clean and to have been recently greased.
Check the resistance between the black/white wire in the TPS sensor and pin 1 of the white 10 pin connector. You should see 1 Ω or less. More than that is a broken wire inside the engine mounted fuel injector harness.

Fuel injector wiring harness sensors for a 5.0 mustang
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Sorry for my lack of knowledge, Are you referring to the black 10 pin socket? And which splice?

The TPS is where your problem is located. Therefore, look at the TPS connector socket and black/white wire.

The 4 into 1 wire splice is inside the engine mounted fuel injector harness. You will need to strip the covering off the harness to uncover the splice. You may opt to buy a replacement harness from the junkyard or from eBay.
 
The TPS is where your problem is located. Therefore, look at the TPS connector socket and black/white wire.

The 4 into 1 wire splice is inside the engine mounted fuel injector harness. You will need to strip the covering off the harness to uncover the splice. You may opt to buy a replacement harness from the junkyard or from eBay.

So the splice is where the wires from pins 3,4,5,&6 on the engine side of the white 10 pin join before connecting to pin two?
 
So the splice is where the wires from pins 3,4,5,&6 on the engine side of the white 10 pin join before connecting to pin two?
Pin #2 is VREF, a 5 volt supply for the sensors.
Pin #1 is the signal ground for the sensors.

The splice is inside the wire loom for the engine mounted fuel injector harness.
 
If you go to the 5.0 tech/how to thread in the tech forum you will see a bunch of info, in there look for head, cam, intake install. You may have to sift through some stuff to get to the part about the upper removal.
This would be a good time to invest in a quality repair manual, I have what I call a 'magic book' it's a ford assembly manual, I think I got it from motor books, do a google search. Get one that is specific to your year.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=1989+mustang+shop+manual
 
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