92 GT Computer Failure?

prgt347

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I have a '92 GT that ran perfect but stopped running one day. Engine turns but won't catch - fuel pump is no longer kicking on (no humming). Checked fuel pump relay. Relay is fine but ground wire not getting signal from computer to turn on pump. With computer out of car and key in on position, grounded light blue / orange wire and fuel pump turned on. Wondering if computer is dead since the relay is apparently not getting the proper signal. Also, cannot activate self diagnostic to even check codes. Check engine light also very dim while other instrument lights (battery, check oil) are bright when key in the on position.

Since I currently can't read the codes, I'm wondering if I can jump something to make it work. Can I run a ground to the light blue/orange wire on the self diagnostic connector to get it to start the key-on engine-off test & give me the codes? What about running a ground directly to the light blue/orange wire in the fuel pump relay and seeing if the car will run like normal? In other words, if the car runs fine with the jumper ground, this is the area of my problem. Or...will it kick back and fry something else?

I'm hoping not to have to buy a new computer, especially if that's not the problem. Are there any other tests I can do on other solenoids or relays to see if other areas of the computer are working? I appreciate any advice....
 
I had a similar problem like this. It would only start sometimes because fuel pump wouldnt kick on all the time. Then it just quit starting at all.

There is a eec relay above the eec in the passenger kick panel. If you cant find it take out the speaker and look in from the top. You will see it cliped to the metal. Try that and see if that helps any thing.
 
If you're only missing the ground input, the inertia switch and EEC relay are fine.

You are correct - you can manually ground the FP relay's negative coil wire. There is even a factory provision for doing this at the self test connector. It saves someone from having to cycle the key 20 times while doing diagnostics.

I'd first try to track down the other issues. The ground for the FP relay coil can be burned but since you have other issues, if you fix the source, it might clear up the rest.

There are some resistance tests near the bottom of this article that you might want to check out.

Good luck.
 
You have two different problems associated with the same test ground circuit. Pay close attention to the testing of the test ground/signal ground wires in the following tech notes.

Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.


No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump Relay:
On 91 cars, it is located under the driver seat.
On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.

C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns
the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red
wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the
computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to
complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the
contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the
right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the
relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay
contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows
through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow
wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the
brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel
pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.


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diagram of the wiring for 91-93 cars.

Power circuits:
Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92
or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the
WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be
mistaken for the fuel pump relay.

Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look
for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No
voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Inertia switch: Check the brown/pink wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either
the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there
should be power on the dark green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire
(inertia switch output). Power on the dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire
means the inertia switch is open. Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position.
Sometimes the inertia switch will be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that
there is 12 volts on both sides of the switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop
measured across the switch is less than .75 volts.

Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test
point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the
black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less
than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

Control circuits:

Relay: The red wire for the fuel pump relay coil gets its power feed from the ECC relay.
No 12 volts here, and the ECC relay has failed or there is bad wiring or bad connections
coming from it. The ECC relay is located on top of the computer, which is under the passenger’s
side kick panel. It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side
dash speaker out to access it.

Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts.
Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange
wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken
wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the
computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector.
It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow.
No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer
and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe
the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn
the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump
the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer
does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)
for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information

Fuel pump runs continuously: The fuel pump relay contacts are stuck together or the light blue/orange wire
has shorted to ground. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket. Then disconnect the computer and use
an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange wire and ground. You should see
more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t
jumpered to ground.
If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.

Prior to replacing the computer, check the computer power ground. The computer has its own
dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to
it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a
black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up
next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness


Computer will not go into diagnostic mode on 91-93 model 5.0 Mustangs

How it is supposed to work:
The grey/red wire (pin 46) is signal ground for the computer. It provides a dedicated
ground for the EGR, Baro, ACT, ECT, & TPS sensors as well as the ground to put the
computer into self test mode. If this ground is bad, none of the sensors mentioned will work
properly. That will severely affect the car's performance. You will have hard starting, low power
and drivability problems.
Since it is a dedicated ground, it passes through the computer on its
way to the computer main power ground that terminates at the battery pigtail ground. It should
read less than 1.5 ohms when measured from anyplace on the engine harness with the battery
pigtail ground as the other reference point for the ohmmeter probe.

What sometimes happens is that the test connector grey/red wire gets jumpered to power
which either burns up the wiring or burns the trace off the pc board inside the computer.
That trace connects pins 46 to pins 40 & 60. Only an experienced electronics technician can open
the computer up & repair the trace if it burns up and creates an open circuit.

The STI (Self Test Input ) is jumpered to ground to put the computer into test mode. Jumpering
it to power can produce unknown results, including damage to the computer. The ohm test
simply verifies that there are no breaks in the wiring between the test connector and the computer input.

How to test the wiring :
With the power off, measure the resistance between the computer test ground
(grey/red wire) on the self test connector and battery ground. You should see less than
1.5 ohms.

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If that check fails, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer
connector. There is a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Measure the resistance between
the grey/red wire and pin 46 on the computer wiring connector : it should be less than
1.5 ohms. More that 1.5 ohms is a wiring problem. If it reads 1.5 ohms or less, then the
computer is suspect. On the computer, measure the resistance between pin 46 and pins
40 & 60: it should be less than 1.5 ohms. More that that and the computer’s internal
ground has failed, and the computer needs to be replaced.

If the first ground check was good, there are other wires to check. Measure the
resistance between the STI computer self test connector (red/white wire) and pin 48 on
the computer main connector: it should be less than 1.5 ohms. More that 1.5 ohms is a
wiring problem

The following is a view from the computer side of the computer connector.
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Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

Check out the diagram and notice all the places the grey/red wire goes. Almost every
sensor on the engine except the MAF is connected to it.
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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds
(website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information

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jrichker, you are the man! These instructions and diagrams are priceless. :nice:

I've been working through these for the past week and so far everything is leading back to the computer. I still need to test a few more things to be 100% sure, though.

If I do need to get another computer, do you have any recommendations? I know I need to get the exact same type that comes out (A9L) but does it have to come from a '92? I've read that there are supposedly a few different numbers that are compatible with the A9L. I don't want to take any chances...Any thoughts on that? Also, is it better to go with a rebuilt rather than used?

I also have a SCT chip plugged into the computer. I think I can just unplug it and plug it into the new computer but wanted to run that by to make sure there wasn't anything special.

And...what would cause a computer to go bad???

Thanks again for your information. You've really helped me out a lot!
 
Prior to buying a new computer, this is the crucial test:

Remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer
connector. There is a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Measure the resistance between
the grey/red wire and pin 46 on the computer wiring connector : it should be less than
1.5 ohms. More that 1.5 ohms is a wiring problem. If it reads 1.5 ohms or less, then the
computer is suspect. On the computer, measure the resistance between pin 46 and pins
40 & 60: it should be less than 1.5 ohms. More that that and the computer’s internal
ground has failed, and the computer needs to be replaced.​

The A9L computers are found in 89-93 Mustangs and are interchangeable. The A9P from auto trans 89-93 Mustangs will also work with no problems.

The only difference between a rebuilt and a junkyard unit is the warranty. If someone will sell you a cheap junkyard unit with the warranty equal to the rebuilt unit, buy it.
 
To give you an update:

I've ran through all of the tests and it all seems to lead to the computer. I've eliminated the fuel pump relay & wires (can get fuel w/ relay grounded); got fuel pressure with pin 22 probed & grounded; tried the test light and pin 22 but got no flickering light (light dimmed when key switched on but no flicker or codes like when I used to check them); battery ground and pigtail/wiring to computer fine, also. Found out that I'm not getting spark, either.

Down to the test in your last reply:

Remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer
connector. There is a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Measure the resistance between
the grey/red wire and pin 46 on the computer wiring connector : it should be less than
1.5 ohms. More that 1.5 ohms is a wiring problem. If it reads 1.5 ohms or less, then the
computer is suspect. On the computer, measure the resistance between pin 46 and pins
40 & 60: it should be less than 1.5 ohms. More that that and the computer’s internal
ground has failed, and the computer needs to be replaced.

I'm getting less than 1 ohms between the grey/red wire and pin 46 on the wiring connector so I know the wriring is fine; but when I measure resistance between 46 and 40 and 60 I'm also getting less than 1 ohms.

So everything tells me the computer is smoked but it passes the final test. I was about to purchase a computer on eBay but I've recently found a contact at the local Ford dealership who has agreed to plug it into their equipment for free and let me know what they can find out. I figure it's worth a final look before shelling out more money without being 100% positive that a new computer will clear it up.

Last question - you mentioned a couple of different computers below. I heard that sometimes you have to do some reprogramming or tuning to the computer once you install it...Not just plug in the new one and you're back in business. Any truth to that to your knowledge?

Again, thanks for all of your information. If nothing else, I've learned a great deal as to how this all works together to make the car run. I'll post again once the dealership has looked at it and let me know their thoughts.
 
The Ford A9L & A9P series computers are plug and play - no flash, no tuning. The adaptive tuning feature takes care of all the slight differences between vehicles.
 
I went ahead and bought another computer - I was planning on buying a used one off eBay but found an aftermarket from Auto Zone for less than $100. Put it in and everything seems to be running fine...except for one thing.

The chip that I had in my other computer doesn't fit in the new one. The circuit board sits lower in the box so you can't slide the chip into it without removing the whole computer from its casing. I took it all apart and removed a square from the box to have the chip fit properly but when I install it, the car won't start again (I never actually tried to start it, but put the key into the 'on' position and the fuel pump did not kick on). The chip gives off a red light that stays on until I turn the key back off. If I unplug the chip, the car starts right up, no problem.

I called the dyno shop that tuned it and they said I can send it back to them and they can make an adjustment for the different version of the computer. Makes sense to me...Hopefully they can fix it because I can't afford another one! Once I get it back and see if it works or not, I'll update the post in case anyone else has this problem.

jrichker, again man - your information is priceless. I learned more about this computer than I ever really wanted to know, but really needed to know. I've owned this car for 14 years and have no plans of ever letting it go. And since none of my manuals have the right wiring diagrams, I've added your information to them. Thanks again -