• Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech

96-98 guys beware

  • Thread starter Thread starter AntiRice98
  • Start date Start date Feb 3, 2006
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
Next
First Prev 4 of 6 Next Last

CanadaStang

New Member
Sep 7, 2003
2,093
1
0
Mb
Feb 9, 2006
#61
  • Feb 9, 2006
  • #61
zerosgt said:
Where can i get a shop manual like that? Did you match port the heads when you did it?
Click to expand...
I got mine through Ford, they are alot more money than a Chilton but they are worth it.
Say this might help a bit:
http://bossracing.net/Tech Articles/PI Headswap/PI Head Swap page1.htm
You'll notice they removed the engine but you don't have to.
Yes I ported and port-matched the heads.
 

COramprat

...I can take it. I think.
20+ Year Stangneter
Mar 2, 2003
8,474
1,463
223
Sea of Tranquility
Feb 10, 2006
#62
  • Feb 10, 2006
  • #62
PI intake/70mm TB/Aftermarket upper plenum and Comp 262 or VT stage 1 cams closely equals the entire PI head swap in HP numbers and you can keep your compression at the point to where you can SC later. Plus you can do it cheaper...
 

zerosgt

New Member
Jan 9, 2006
50
0
0
Sea-Tac, WA
Feb 12, 2006
#63
  • Feb 12, 2006
  • #63
coramprat said:
PI intake/70mm TB/Aftermarket upper plenum and Comp 262 or VT stage 1 cams closely equals the entire PI head swap in HP numbers and you can keep your compression at the point to where you can SC later. Plus you can do it cheaper...
Click to expand...

Where can I go to get a PI intake that will bolt onto a set of NPI heads? The PI head swap is above my mechanical abilities.
 

COramprat

...I can take it. I think.
20+ Year Stangneter
Mar 2, 2003
8,474
1,463
223
Sea of Tranquility
Feb 13, 2006
#64
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #64
zerosgt said:
Where can I go to get a PI intake that will bolt onto a set of NPI heads? The PI head swap is above my mechanical abilities.
Click to expand...
I bought some adapter plates that blended the ports but some people have used RTV to seal the ports to prevent leaks with good results. Do a search for pi intake here and on Modular Depot and you should find the tech on the swap using RTV.
 

zerosgt

New Member
Jan 9, 2006
50
0
0
Sea-Tac, WA
Feb 13, 2006
#65
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #65
coramprat said:
I bought some adapter plates that blended the ports but some people have used RTV to seal the ports to prevent leaks with good results. Do a search for pi intake here and on Modular Depot and you should find the tech on the swap using RTV.
Click to expand...

what is RTV? I'll do the search when I get home.
 

Mike97gt

it doe snot
Founding Member
Jan 26, 1999
10,633
7
89
the people's republic of massachusetts
Feb 13, 2006
#66
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #66
the adapter plates are the best way to go. but rtv does a ok job. rtv is silicone sealant. it comes in a tube.
 

zerosgt

New Member
Jan 9, 2006
50
0
0
Sea-Tac, WA
Feb 13, 2006
#67
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #67
Yeah I'm all about the real adaptor plates. I have bad luck with my kentucky windage on car stuff. I'm still looking for a good site with those on it.
 
T

TGJ

New Member
Mar 30, 2005
1,049
4
0
Feb 13, 2006
#68
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #68
Ok, I am getting tired of arguing this, but I want to know why the adapter plate method is better than RTV and the PI gasket method.

RTV has been around for a long ****ing time and the big 3 US automakers at one in the past, RTV was how they made gaskets. I know of some RTV gasket made cars running 200,000 kms and counting with no issue of leaks what so ever.

Using the PI gasket, you have to use a small dab of RTV on 2 of the coolant ports, that is it. I posted pictures once where the RTV goes, but I am not looking for them now. It won't fail under boost because boost does not affect coolant flow. It will last because RTV is designed to seal against water and coolant.

What the adapter plates do is lift the intake manifold. Lifting the intake manifold, lifts the fuel injectors which affects the spray pattern. Using adapter plates requires you to use both the NPI and PI gasket, you also have to take that into consideration. You will require a tune using adapter plates to correct the A/F ratio.

The adapter plates have shown no better results( HP/TQ ) than those who just used the gasket and RTV method.

The best method, would be to have the heads port matched to the PI intake gasket with some aluminum welded into the coolant port. I would only consider this, if I was using ported NPI heads.

IMO, the next best method is the PI gasket and RTV method. The adapter plates IMO are a huge waste of money and would be the last method, I would use.
 

COramprat

...I can take it. I think.
20+ Year Stangneter
Mar 2, 2003
8,474
1,463
223
Sea of Tranquility
Feb 13, 2006
#69
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #69
TGJ said:
Ok, I am getting tired of arguing this, but I want to know why the adapter plate method is better than RTV and the PI gasket method.

RTV has been around for a long ****ing time and the big 3 US automakers at one in the past, RTV was how they made gaskets. I know of some RTV gasket made cars running 200,000 kms and counting with no issue of leaks what so ever.

Using the PI gasket, you have to use a small dab of RTV on 2 of the coolant ports, that is it. I posted pictures once where the RTV goes, but I am not looking for them now. It won't fail under boost because boost does not affect coolant flow. It will last because RTV is designed to seal against water and coolant.

What the adapter plates do is lift the intake manifold. Lifting the intake manifold, lifts the fuel injectors which affects the spray pattern. Using adapter plates requires you to use both the NPI and PI gasket, you also have to take that into consideration. You will require a tune using adapter plates to correct the A/F ratio.

The adapter plates have shown no better results( HP/TQ ) than those who just used the gasket and RTV method.

The best method, would be to have the heads port matched to the PI intake gasket with some aluminum welded into the coolant port. I would only consider this, if I was using ported NPI heads.

IMO, the next best method is the PI gasket and RTV method. The adapter plates IMO are a huge waste of money and would be the last method, I would use.
Click to expand...
I paid a hundred bucks for my plates...just so the ports would transition a little better. Not knocking the RTV method though becuase it is tried and true.
 

zerosgt

New Member
Jan 9, 2006
50
0
0
Sea-Tac, WA
Feb 13, 2006
#70
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #70
I'm really not ever looking to boost the stang at any point, I just want to be able to keep up with a buddies civic. I now how that sounds, but really, he's pulling right over top of me right now with his freaking 06 Si. The 1/4 mi times are faster stock to stock and I'm trying to get back on top, where the freaking V8 belongs. So with a PI intake and a short shifter I think I can ram those 4 cyc right back down his throat.

Not that I have anything against honda's, I've owned one, but I just like winning and then going back to have a couple drinks afterwards.
 

Dusstbuster

I love meat more than anything! I just have a spec
May 31, 2004
1,462
33
64
Moorhead, Minnesota
Feb 13, 2006
#71
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #71
coramprat said:
PI intake/70mm TB/Aftermarket upper plenum and Comp 262 or VT stage 1 cams closely equals the entire PI head swap in HP numbers and you can keep your compression at the point to where you can SC later. Plus you can do it cheaper...
Click to expand...


VT Stage 1's fit NPI heads?
 
T

TGJ

New Member
Mar 30, 2005
1,049
4
0
Feb 13, 2006
#72
  • Feb 13, 2006
  • #72
Since I was asked, I will post the pics of where the RTV is required.

The PI gasket on a SVO head, exact same intake ports and coolant ports as the NPI head.


A closeup of the coolant port that requires the RTV


The exact area that requires the RTV


The circled area is where you add the RTV to the gasket and head to completely seal off the coolant.


The other coolant port on the head. Just so you see that it does not require RTV.


IMO, you will need cams to go with the intake. The NPI cam runs out of steam around the same time as the NPI intake does. At minimum, go with with PI cams.

Edit:

It helps if I type in the right link.
 

zerosgt

New Member
Jan 9, 2006
50
0
0
Sea-Tac, WA
Feb 26, 2006
#73
  • Feb 26, 2006
  • #73
Thanks! This give me something to really go back and think about. It's good stuff. Once I get this done the only thing that's really killing me about the car is the clutch throw.
 

COramprat

...I can take it. I think.
20+ Year Stangneter
Mar 2, 2003
8,474
1,463
223
Sea of Tranquility
Feb 26, 2006
#74
  • Feb 26, 2006
  • #74
TGJ said:
IMO, you will need cams to go with the intake. The NPI cam runs out of steam around the same time as the NPI intake does. At minimum, go with with PI cams.
Click to expand...
I agree there...the only reference I have to go by before and after my PI intake swap was track times. I gained a MPH and a tenth so maybe 5-7hp. But with the cam swap my dyno was a good 30-35 hp better and my mph is up by 6.

Don't pay attention to the times in my sig..I haven't had the chance to get new ones since my car was tuned...
 

zerosgt

New Member
Jan 9, 2006
50
0
0
Sea-Tac, WA
Feb 26, 2006
#75
  • Feb 26, 2006
  • #75
So what are stock times for a stock 96-98 GT?
 

DropTopPony

Noob Slayer
Founding Member
Aug 13, 2002
2,570
3
48
south jersey
Feb 26, 2006
#76
  • Feb 26, 2006
  • #76
zerosgt said:
So what are stock times for a stock 96-98 GT?
Click to expand...
15's
 

CanadaStang

New Member
Sep 7, 2003
2,093
1
0
Mb
Feb 27, 2006
#77
  • Feb 27, 2006
  • #77
High 14's to low 15's in the 1/4 is about the norm for a stock 96'-98' [same as the old 5.0's]
 

tomustang

Psychotic Member
Founding Member
Jun 8, 2000
3,434
2
78
McLean Hospital
Feb 27, 2006
#78
  • Feb 27, 2006
  • #78
droptopponynj said:
15's
Click to expand...
dude i was lucky to get into the 15's


 

DropTopPony

Noob Slayer
Founding Member
Aug 13, 2002
2,570
3
48
south jersey
Feb 27, 2006
#79
  • Feb 27, 2006
  • #79
tomustang said:
dude i was lucky to get into the 15's


Click to expand...
where have you been?
 

tomustang

Psychotic Member
Founding Member
Jun 8, 2000
3,434
2
78
McLean Hospital
Feb 27, 2006
#80
  • Feb 27, 2006
  • #80
droptopponynj said:
where have you been?
Click to expand...
lost in space, im at an undisclosed location right now, i'll be back and a week or two
 
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
Next
First Prev 4 of 6 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

K
Resolved Weird sound coming from a freshly rebuilt 5.0L
  • karhoot
  • Jun 24, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
7
Views
156
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Jun 27, 2026
Mac131
S
Timing chain, guides and tensioner installation (Possible orientation in Intake Stroke)
  • StallionMax
  • Sep 21, 2025
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
2
Views
375
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Sep 24, 2025
StallionMax
S
2
Running very very rich
  • 2esoteric
  • Oct 31, 2025
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
4
Views
321
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Oct 31, 2025
Noobz347
new :poo: box, may need to hit you guys up for 79-82 info when i fix thIs turd.
  • rednotch
  • Sep 27, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 2 3
Replies
40
Views
2K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Apr 4, 2026
Noobz347
HP woes with Sniper Sytem
  • Stang_1973
  • Mar 10, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
16
Views
830
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Mar 13, 2025
revhead347
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?