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bierbelly

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Bierbelly=Chemist.

Acetone is not "corrosive" in the chemical sense of the word, but it's a very aggressive solvent for almost everything. In the world of chemistry, a shorthand rule of thumb is "like dissolves like". Acetone "dissolves" in water, and in gasoline, two very different substances, which means it has a wide range of solubilities, in both ionic and non-ionic substances.

"Plastic" is not plastic. There are many polymers which are called "plastic". The one most often used for gasoline cans (because gasoline won't dissolve it) is polypropylene (PP). In fact, acetone won't dissolve polypropylene either. PP is very resistant to solvents. However, not much of the "plastics" which are used in your fuel system are PP. As you'll notice, PP is quite hard and stiff, not suitable for uses which require a lot of flexibility and conformability. Nowadays, the uses which require more "rubbery" substances are filled by what are called "elastomers", which are usually co-polymers of two or more different small molecules, like propylene + ethylene + something else. These co-polymers do not always have the level of solvent resistance that PP homopolymer does.

Since the auto companies anticipated that you'd use gasoline in your car, they've spec'd the materials in the fuel line to be gasoline resistant. However, even now, most vehicles cannot use >10% ethanol in the gasoline, since the polymer parts in the fuel system can start to (1) swell out of shape from the alcohol, or (2) leach out additives from the polymers which will accumulate downstream. Acetone is a much more aggressive solvent than alcohol.

In short, you're nuts if you try to save a few pennies/gallon by adding acetone.

You want good gas mileage? Buy a Prius.
 
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I am going to have to agree with BierBelly in the sense that I would never consider putting anything but gas in my gas tank. I might add the occaisonal bottle of injector cleaner but other than that, just gas for me thanks.

Also, one thing Mustang drivers should never consider or even think about is gas mileage it just does not make sense to buy a sporty car and then worry about mileage...
 

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Quote:
You want good gas mileage? Buy a Prius.


:Word:
 

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Or an Insight.
 

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While I doubt acetone will have much of an increase in gas mileage unless your fuel system is dirty, for all of those spouting the dangers of it to your fuel system do you realize that many fuel injector cleaners contain as much as 5% acetone?
 
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What I was referring to when I said "injector cleaner" is SeaFoam...
 

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Kilgore Trout said:
What I was referring to when I said "injector cleaner" is SeaFoam...
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Seafoam FTW!
 

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Seafoam mentioned again?

Ahh.. there it is.
 
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jstreet0204 said:
While I doubt acetone will have much of an increase in gas mileage unless your fuel system is dirty, for all of those spouting the dangers of it to your fuel system do you realize that many fuel injector cleaners contain as much as 5% acetone?
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May be true...where did you get your info? In any case, that's a once in a while use in a quite low concentration, once it's mixed into the tank. Unless the purported increases in fuel mileage with acetone are due to cleaning up the fuel injectors, I'd think that you'd need a much higher concentration of acetone/gasoline to make any difference. If it's just a matter of cleaning up the injectors, I'd expect something besides acetone would be better/safer for that. Gumout = mineral spirits.
 

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bierbelly said:
May be true...where did you get your info? In any case, that's a once in a while use in a quite low concentration, once it's mixed into the tank. Unless the purported increases in fuel mileage with acetone are due to cleaning up the fuel injectors, I'd think that you'd need a much higher concentration of acetone/gasoline to make any difference. If it's just a matter of cleaning up the injectors, I'd expect something besides acetone would be better/safer for that. Gumout = mineral spirits.
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Here is one example right off of chemtools website for their b12 injector cleaner.

http://www.berrymanproducts.com/Portals/0/BPI%20MSDS/4016.pdf
Acetone 5 to 15% by volume. In a 12 oz can that is very close to the 1oz per 10 gallons reccomended for the mileage increase. Like I said earlier though I would bet that any increase in mileage is due the cleaning.
 

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Not that I don't think mythbusters experiments are flawed many times, here is one where they tested the acetone theory.
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/exploding_trousers_great_gas_conspiracy.html

Looks like mileage went down in their tests.
 

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Yeah I remember seeing that on MB. If I recall, the test wasn't really a test to debunk Acetone completely, but to test several examples of several different "gas mileage improvers."

Acetone in that example was only tested (or so they only aired) with one ratio of Acetone to gasoline.. i.e. most major websites that are pushing the Acetone in gas thing say to experiement 1oz per 10 gal, all the way up to 3oz per 10 gal.

Anyway, wasn't that on a carb'd car?
 

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sgarlic said:
Yeah I remember seeing that on MB. If I recall, the test wasn't really a test to debunk Acetone completely, but to test several examples of several different "gas mileage improvers."

Acetone in that example was only tested (or so they only aired) with one ratio of Acetone to gasoline.. i.e. most major websites that are pushing the Acetone in gas thing say to experiement 1oz per 10 gal, all the way up to 3oz per 10 gal.

Anyway, wasn't that on a carb'd car?
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I didn't see that episode, but according to that site they did both carb and fuel injection cars. I also don't know how they went about getting the mpg. I would trust it more if it was calulated using the injector pw and load, but I doubt they did that.
 

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Bierbelly, I truly appreciate the added factual information. It's actually something I desired from the get go.

The theory that acetone helps soften the "surface tension" of gasoline, to enable it to vaporize more quickly is what first grabbed my attention about acetone. Less blowby and wasted fuel down the crankcase was what I was looking for. For all of those who think this discussion is about gas mileage, it's not. I'm looking for how to more efficiently use the gas that's in my tank, not for how long I can make a tank of gas last. You could argue that it's the same result, but my goal is not.

I wish I had the ability to pull the entire fuel system from a Fox, SN95, and New Edge Stang to test how resilient they are to acetone. Unfortunately, I do not have the time or money to take on such an endeavour. So, I come here hoping to spur discussion and/or receive results from those who have already tried similar experiments.

Keep it up! I love good discussions involving factual information that is not pure conjecture based on what your 2nd cousin thrice removed said. /wink

Thanks again ya'll!

Luke
 
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Well, there is tons of info on this subject. Do a search on Google or Wikipedia....
 
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The only way Acetone could improve your mileage is by cleaning your fuel system, including injectors or by adding it to your fuel and than tune your car. Acetone is an alcohol which has less energy per gallon than gasoline, but it is a slower burning fuel than gasoline. The way it would increase power and/or mileage is by increasing the octane and therefore you could increase your timing which would net you a power increase and better mileage.

Weither the benefits are worth it, I don't know.
 

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rpburnette said:
Acetone is an alcohol
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Actually, it's a ketone.
 
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There's a big difference adding 1 bottle of Inj. Cleaner to a 16 gallon tank, once every 3,000 miles; versus adding ounces every 200-300 miles...

I believe they also add the Acetone to increase the flash point... That is all..



JT
 

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bierbelly said:
You want good gas mileage? Buy a Prius.
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Will i have to trade my manhood in along with my Mustang for one??












 
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