Again..How does a H/C/I 302 compare to a evo or sti?

[badstang123]

Those are evos never raced an sti but they cant be that fast

The Evo's are definitely faster than the STI's. I have a friend with an STI that will even admit to that.

 

[Danman765432]

In my first thing i meant to say on the street from a roll, from a dead stop it will be a drivers race....

Now about evos being faster than STIs...My friend has beat quite a few evos by a few cars and he has never lost to them...but the thing is with evos they are actually easier to mod and there are more modded evos out there than STIs.

By the way my friend has an 05 with full exhaust and intake and also a bov(just for the sound)

I have raced him from every roll possible and he only puts about a car to a car and a half on me...its not to big of a difference...but he does have more top end then me...we normally go up to 100 or 110...

We went from a dig and he only had about 2 cars to 2 and half up to 100 on me. (he can also launch the **** out of that car)

To me my car is slow as crap too.(i dont think it helps when my brother has a 450rwhp camaro N/A) That is why I am putting the nitrous in and then saving up for either a supercharger or going h/c/i.

 

[Danman765432]

I agree with this 100%. An STI or Evo are between 30K-35K. Dollar for dollar I think I would take an 03-04 cobra over them any day.

The way I see it...a nice set of drag radials...and goodbye STI

Haha that is what my friend is doing selling his STI and getting an 03-04 cobra or a new mustang and then putting a kenne bell on it

 

[Therian]

If you wanted to be more fair in a comparison ..............
Would you not use a Cobra, or Shelby, or whatever they're calling the
newest "Go Faster" offering from Ford these days

You are correct sir.

Incorrect. Not too sure on the Evo because we can't get'em up here north of the border, but the STI, with it's diff's and extra stiffening, isn't much lighter than my GT whatsoever

I've been in my friend's STI, and I will vouch for the claims that these cars can handle better than our best....but meh...they're teh ghey.

Also correct. If I recall, an Evo weighs 3200lb.

I must say, launching with AWD is an incredible experience. I can take my 20v Audi to 7k, dump the clutch, and it refuses to even squawk the tires. Instant response.

 

[Dante30]

All I know is that them "little Cars" Run well out of the box. A Evo, w/ about 271hp has comparable performance to an 03' cobra w/ 390hp stock, and will easily out handle the Cobra. I F**kn' can't stand it, however, I got to be honest and give credit where credit is due. If your gonna run up on one, cause they can be beat, you better have your **** together. Make no mistake, they can be beat, just don't get caught slippin'

 

[final5-0]

As I said before ... I got no interest in those little cars
but
They got a lot to offer I don't doubt that at all

I don't mean to brag ... but ... It is rare that me and the little woman
goes through a drive through that the kids working behind the window
don't come over to take a look or wanna ask questions.

Quite often ... I get peeps at stop lights and when I drive up to the
pumps asking me Q's about the car.

A Stang with a lope ... It just draws attention ... Sometimes too much
But ... every now and then ... It can be cool

I really did not build my car for that
but
Its a by-product of it I reckon

Now ... having said all that ... I just got a sneekin suspicion ...........
Those little Tinker Toy cars .........
They ain't gonna draw the same amount of respect

They have their place ... And our Stangs have their's as well
but
They just ain't made from the same hunk of metal

As for the money ... you can look at that issue from many angles
and
As I see it ... If you wanna be quick ... You're gonna pay either way

A factory hot rod is a big chunk of change but you can get a good bit back
if you take care of it.

An older car like ours for instance ... Sure ... You can get into it for cheep
but
You dump a wad of cash in it ... and it ain't really worth a whole lot

You go to sell it ... Most peeps will be afraid of hot rod parts
or
Deduct a lot off the selling price when they see them

anyway ... As has been said ... Lots of good points in this thread

I'm just motivated along these lines with my little 95

Its my car ... I built it myself ... I tuned it myself

With a factory hot rod ... All I could say is ... I wrote a check for it

For me ... I just gotta fall in that camp of DIY

Grady

 

[m0l0]

Incorrect. Not too sure on the Evo because we can't get'em up here north of the border, but the STI, with it's diff's and extra stiffening, isn't much lighter than my GT whatsoever

I've been in my friend's STI, and I will vouch for the claims that these cars can handle better than our best....but meh...they're teh ghey.

Maybe they are not the most light car but they have almost the same equipment we do have but much lighter :



http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2004.html

WRX Sti 04 : 3,263lbs <-- How much do we have to rip to reach this weight.


Evo :


http://www.roadraceengineering.com/evo/tech/evoweights.htm

Weight 3236lbs

Really i do know they are not the most light thing but with the power they make that "little" hp they have + awd + killer suspension make them hard to beat on our pigs ( 3600 lbs ? )

 

[DarkProphet]

I have two very good friends with sti's. One is an 03 and the other is an 04. They are pretty quick! Ive driven them a few times, and they feel almost as quick as my car, though I always take them when we play. They are CRAZY off the line, and will get you unless your running slicks, but you shouldnt have too much of a problem passing them down the line. Their big problem is torque, and only really go in the top end, but they run out of steam around 90.


EDIT:

I just raced my one friend tonight.. He just got a turbo back exhuast and his chip reflashed. The car was tuned with a wideband, and not a dyno, so there are no charts, but he thinks that it puts down an extra 50hp and 85lbs of torque. (Actually found a sheet on the net of a VERY similar combo and it made like 280whp and 315wtq, so hes pretty close.. http://www.cobbtuning.com/images_products/3158.jpg).

Its a whole different animal now. We didnt go from a stop because it was kind of damp out, but from a 40mph roll we were DEAD even till I shifted into 4th. I started to pull very slightly but didnt get more then a half a car on him till i got into 5th and ran out of room. I didnt get a chance to race him again either as it started raining, but I would say there is NO WAY a HCI mustang could hang with his sti. A notch maybe, but I dont think an sn95 could?

 

[final5-0]

I have two very good friends with sti's. One is an 03 and the other is an 04. They are pretty quick! Ive driven them a few times, and they feel almost as quick as my car, though I always take them when we play. They are CRAZY off the line, and will get you unless your running slicks, but you shouldnt have too much of a problem passing them down the line. Their big problem is torque, and only really go in the top end, but they run out of steam around 90.

Exactly

Very well said

Its all about the torque

This where size really does matter :Word:

They got tiny motors and tiny torque

We got a bit larger motors for more torque

You have your 351 Windsor for even more torque

And finally ... You can do a stroked Windsor for ... Terrific Torque

True ... Them Little Cars can scoot off the line
but
What can they do in 4th at say 30mph and you go to the floor with no shift ...

Not a Damn Thing to write home about

Grady

 

[Pokageek]

This is a great thread thanks to you all.

"A Evo, w/ about 271hp has comparable performance to an 03' cobra w/ 390hp stock, and will easily out handle the Cobra."

This the part that confuses me though..scratch head. How can a car with 271 HP run with a 390HP engine??? So they are 3200+ pounds. A 94 stang is 3250. vert 3450. No difference basically. So what gives there?

"They are pretty quick! Ive driven them a few times, and they feel almost as quick as my car"

And you have heads and a s/c??? Something is not right with those cars...or too right...

 

[DarkProphet]

"They are pretty quick! Ive driven them a few times, and they feel almost as quick as my car"

And you have heads and a s/c??? Something is not right with those cars...or too right...

I think its because of a few reasons. They top out about 155 or so, so their geared kind of high, dont know the exact ratio, but its pretty up there. At 60 your around 2500rpms. In icomparison, id be doing 90 @2500.

Second, the turbos spool up REALLY fast on them, They easliy make full boost by 2500 stock, sooner if their worked, and rev out to like 7k somewhere. When I go from a roll with them, they always jump right out and i have to catch up. My boost comes linearly so it builds as I go up in rpms, while theirs is right there when they hit the gas.

Their quick for sure. A stock sti runs a 13.5 with no problem. An exhuast and chip gets you at the 13 flat range..

Id drive one as a daily drive (as he does), but mustangs are WAY cooler, which is why I guess he has an 03 cobra too?

 

[Pokageek]

I am pretty sure they are geared with 4.10-4.30's.

edit - maybe it is that turbos changed the whole game in that they pump the air out of the engine quicker. That must be it. In my o, a turbo'd 300HP is a lot more powerful than an n/a 300HP. Their should be a scientific formula for the turbo'd car...something like... n.a. HP X 1.5 = Turbo HP. Not kidding..

Case in point: I am just reading of this new wrx. Now, I would not want one cuz I had a turbo'd ca and it was fun but no stang..period. BUT, this car is 3200#, 224 TURBO'D HP....0-60? hold onto your socks...5.5 seconds and 14.0 QM.

Our cars at roughly the same HP stock run roughly 6.5 0-60 and 15.0 QM.

Ok, so the FULL second 0-60 some of youare going to attribute to AWD..fine...but a 14.0 QM! A full second faster than the same HP v8 stang...sheesh. The 4.30 gears are prob part of it but they are going to give it about .5 QM. Somehow it is as if these cars are putting out 50 more HP somewhere.

 

[Dante30]

I believe it just boils down to design. The wonderful 5.0 motors have been around since most of us were kids, if we were alive at all. When the early small block ford engines came out, they were state of the art to some degree! 30+ yrs later, things change a little. One thing these high-tech Japanese engines don't have and won't have is the character and feel of the good old fashioned American Ford V8. Sure they run, so do our cars! Ours burn more gas, but I guess what I'm sayin is that The V8 Mustang has largely lived up to the task over the past 30+ years, and is still an American ICON. Is it not! An Evo or StI can't F**k with that, period!!!!

Plus we can build our cars to Insane power levels, and still be driving an American ICON!!!!

 

[cbarr300]

I will say this much...it's simply amazing how much power they can squeeze out of a four banger these days. It's impressive.

but me, I'd rather have that v8 torque. Not to mention...it catches a lot of attention. Nothing beats the sound of a 5.0.

 

[harsh5.0gt]

i've beaten a stock evo with my stock 5.0 It was a drivers race, but the only thing I can see them beating you is if you have bad wheelspin, or their boosted and take you top end.

 

[chito'stang]

As a former EVO VIII owner i will tell you just like dante said have your sh** together when you go up agains these cars i spend about 5k as soon as i got my EVO VIII and i was doing low 11's.

 

[Pokageek]

i've beaten a stock evo with my stock 5.0 It was a drivers race, but the only thing I can see them beating you is if you have bad wheelspin, or their boosted and take you top end.

LOL

Who is this posting.. 1 post since April 2007. Yes I have beated a stock LS1 with my stock mustang too.

 

[Engel]

i've beaten a stock evo with my stock 5.0 It was a drivers race, but the only thing I can see them beating you is if you have bad wheelspin, or their boosted and take you top end.

the evo driver must have felt pity for you

 

[igotyofire]

ok imma chime in without reading all the previous info kuz im lazy. but the evos and sti do have more hp then our stock stangs. but with HCI mods any stang here should be able to beat one easily. the fact is those cars only run low 13s because the awd lets them take off really hard. but youll still notice their trap speeds are a lil low for their times i believe if im not mistaken. i did a roll on with my buddies wrx that did run a mid 13 and this was b4 i had my gears and it barely stayed infront of me. now that i have my gears ive raced sti's and evo's from a roll and its very close...and i still dont have a fully done HCI setup. so from what ive seen they wont pull like and ls1 powered car without some mods for sure.

 

[igotyofire]

i've beaten a stock evo with my stock 5.0 It was a drivers race, but the only thing I can see them beating you is if you have bad wheelspin, or their boosted and take you top end.

well just disregard this post......215hp rwd vs 276hp awd.....right... sounds about even. if this did really happen i think u need to be fair to urself to say the kid didn't know what he was doing or wasn't really racing because the car runs damn near 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 stock.