aluminum intakes are here!!!!

[helty]

meh, if nothing else it would be piece of mind if you were S/C and running a lot of boost. who's gonna be the guinnea pig and post dyno results? my money's on +/- 5hp. wouldnt that suck if someone dropped $500+ on that thing and lost a few ponies?

 

[Gearbanger 101]

meh, if nothing else it would be piece of mind if you were S/C and running a lot of boost.

Ok....a little insurance against a nitrous backfire, I could see. Although, if you think of it......tally up the cost of a wet kit and this particular manifold and you'll notice that it's more expensive than purchasing a worry free direct shot system for your existing plastic PI manifold.....and you never have to worry about backfires again.

But when was the last time you heard of someone blowing out a runner with a plastic manifold under boost? Even the guys running PI manifolds on NPI heads with RVT around the ports aren't blowing them out under pressure. The only problem the plastic manifolds have ever had were with the coolant crossover in the NPI and early PI models. Which has since been addressed and Mustangers may drive worry free, once again.

I'm with you on the horsepower estimate. +/-5-hp on your average bolt on car, tops.

 

[helty]

oh, i wasnt trying to stick up for it or anything, you're absolutely correct about everything and i agree. i was just thinking, in reality i have a hard time seeing this thing deliver any power gains over the stock manifold. so why else would anyone would buy it,and "piece of mind" came to......mind.

although i did see a vid floating around a while back where someone blew up a cobra manifold while running a shot (dont know how much) of NAWWZ on the dyno. pretty funny actually. i guess someone needs to design a titanium manifold or something huh?

 

[Gearbanger 101]

i was just thinking about why anyone would buy it and "piece of mind" came to......mind.

That's one good reason, for sure.

 

[o0akoni0o]

isn't there another company also coming out with their own aluminum intake thats cheaper than the bullitt intake as well?

 

[helty]

yes, search the other aluminum intake thread. its only a day or two old.

 

[Dark Knight GT]

Well, it looks like I'm going to have to jump in here. To be honest, 23rwhp for the entire Professional Products intake setup at 6,300rpms is probably possible. Why do I say that ? Because once these cars go past 5,200rpms, they start to dip in power for 2 reasons.

1. Cam specifications
2. Intake air flow capabilities

It is a known fact that guys are seeing 10-12rwhp gains with just a throttle body and plenum combo at 6,000 rpms. Combine this with an aluminum lower intake that can actually outflow the stock piece, then yeah, a full aluminum lower intake combined with a upper elbow and throttle body combination very well could yield 23rwhp. Not only that, but since this was on the dyno, the may have forgotten to correct the air/fuel ratio, and since it was a little lean, the numbers might be spiked a bit as a result.

With that having been said, I will NOT be purchasing anything by Professional Products. They are a Chinese based cmpany with an American label, and not only are they owned by a Chinese based company, their parts are all made in China as well. As I said in another thread regarding the Professional Products parts, if I wanted Chinese, I would order some General Tso's chicken, and be done with it.

One more thing. I don't know how many of you have seen this yet, so I'll post the link.......

http://www.hiperformancesolutions.com/

I'm hoping this intake will not fail to please, and that it will produce the numbers we are looking for. Not only that, but it is all made in USA. The dyno results on that page are for the upper elbow only, and not the lower intake manifold. They've been working on this intake for quite some time, and the next pieces will be production pieces. I'm planning on doing a before/after dyno comparison, so let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

[tomustang]

96-04 V8 4.6L 2v-4v MODULAR MUSTANGS



yeah ok, there's no 4V **** on the page

 

[trinity_gt]

Lets put it this way.....does anyone here think that this revolutionary "new" aluminum PI style intake manifold will outperform a Bullitt piece? If not, then consider that the Bullitt Mustangs make a whopping 5hp over a base GT with otherwise the exact same engine specifications. Sure they (Bullitt Intakes) may make a little better power throughout the entire RPM range as well in comparison to the standard PI manifold…..but we’re also not talking about a much better design than the proposed intake above…..and not a glorified PI knock off.

I'm inclined to agree but I'm willing to give the intake the benefit of the doubt until it's actually proven to be nothing more than a N2O-capable PI. The runners below the mating plane and plenum area seem to differ quite a bit from the PI and may help (or hinder...who knows) flow.

They (or someone) needs to give us some dyno plots on a variety of cars, from stock to mild bolt-ons to full-blown. The old "this cold air intake will give as much as 30HP!" (yeah...30HP on a 600rwHP Cobra that was before-tested with a 100,000-mile clogged paper filter) marketing hype isn't going to fly without substance backing it up.

 

[trinity_gt]

With that having been said, I will NOT be purchasing anything by Professional Products. They are a Chinese based cmpany with an American label, and not only are they owned by a Chinese based company, their parts are all made in China as well. As I said in another thread regarding the Professional Products parts, if I wanted Chinese, I would order some General Tso's chicken, and be done with it.

Well that's certainly your perogative. However, if the Chinese once again fill a niche that the major American manufacturers (e.g. Edelbrock, Holley, AFR and the like) are completely ignoring then whose fault is that? If your American outfits are content to make yet more Olds 455 intakes and yet more Chevy 350 heads and ignore this segment then screw 'em...if it delivers and is of quality, I'll buy the other part no matter where it comes from.

 

[Dark Knight GT]

Well that's certainly your perogative. However, if the Chinese once again fill a niche that the major American manufacturers (e.g. Edelbrock, Holley, AFR and the like) are completely ignoring then whose fault is that? If your American outfits are content to make yet more Olds 455 intakes and yet more Chevy 350 heads and ignore this segment then screw 'em...if it delivers and is of quality, I'll buy the other part no matter where it comes from.

As you adequately put, it is my perogative, and not everyone elses. Each person is free to make his/her own mind up about this, I'm just informing everyone about the origins of Professional Products parts.

You do have an excellent point regarding the main intake manifold producers as having seemingly abandoned the 4.6ltr modular motors. It is a sad day whenever a Chinese company beats the American companies to the punch on making a aftermarket intake for the Modular Mustangs, especially considering how popular these cars are. I foresee that whatever company makes an affordable aftermarket intake manifold that can be dyno proven to make more power than stock will literally be setting on a "gold mine" sort of to speak.

 

[tjm73]

96-04 V8 4.6L 2v-4v MODULAR MUSTANGS



yeah ok, there's no 4V **** on the page

And what about the '96-'98 non-PI ports? Small print says only with the PI heads.

 

[mity2]

I believe it when I see the actualy products on consumer car.

 

[BooWFO]

Ya'll are forgetting though how pretty it'd look all polished up sitting under the hood.
Ok I'm done been a wiseguy.
I doubt 23rwhp but when you think people drop what around 600+ for LT's and mid pipe for 10-15 then 530 for 10-15 seems more inline. Plus some people just prefer the idea of an AL intake.
Now think of this it would allow the intake ports on the heads and intake to be nicely port matched to make good power and we all know a smooth port match increases power.

 

[Dark Knight GT]

Ya'll are forgetting though how pretty it'd look all polished up sitting under the hood.
Ok I'm done been a wiseguy.
I doubt 23rwhp but when you think people drop what around 600+ for LT's and mid pipe for 10-15 then 530 for 10-15 seems more inline. Plus some people just prefer the idea of an AL intake.
Now think of this it would allow the intake ports on the heads and intake to be nicely port matched to make good power and we all know a smooth port match increases power.

If someone only gains 10rwhp between long tube headers and a matching hi-flow mid-pipe, then either they're car must be completely stock otherwise, and/or those aftermarket parts aren't giving crap for power. Most people gain 15+rwhp with the addition of long tube headers and matching mid-pipe, with peaks of 20+rwhp.

 

[rpburnette]

Two things, one is regarding the intake being made in China. The bad thing about metal products from other countries is that they usually don't follow the standards that the US does. Of course there are exceptions, but unless the company is required to produce the metal to US specs than it probably doesn't. The specs I am talking about have to do with the quaility of the metal. This is why you don't buy hand tools made in China. If you don't believe me than do some research.

Second point, unfortunately there might not ever be a lower intake that will give the stock or midly modded 4.6 2V any power. We might have to face it, it costs a s**t load of money to make power in the 4.6, i.e. boost. Without some kind of forced induction, our motors just won't make a high level of power, or at least it isn't cheap to do NA.

 

[DBMSTNG]

i may get it to try it out. i can do some minor porting of the intake which should help me, especially since i'm blown. for $500, it's less than the money i'll get back from the intake settlement. if it doesn't work, i'll just buy a $200 Ford plastic intake with the aluminum crossover.

 

[OxMox]

what about the 4V's?

 

[DBMSTNG]

what about the 4V's?

4V's come with good intake manifolds stock. but if you really want to spend your money, there is the FR500 intake.

 

[trinity_gt]

Two things, one is regarding the intake being made in China. The bad thing about metal products from other countries is that they usually don't follow the standards that the US does. Of course there are exceptions, but unless the company is required to produce the metal to US specs than it probably doesn't. The specs I am talking about have to do with the quaility of the metal. This is why you don't buy hand tools made in China. If you don't believe me than do some research.

I'm willing to take my chances on an unstressed component like an intake manifold if it delivers...I don't care where it comes from. That Edelbrock and the rest are sitting on their asses doesn't concern me.

Second point, unfortunately there might not ever be a lower intake that will give the stock or midly modded 4.6 2V any power. We might have to face it, it costs a s**t load of money to make power in the 4.6, i.e. boost. Without some kind of forced induction, our motors just won't make a high level of power, or at least it isn't cheap to do NA.

Cams can give 30 or more HP at high RPM... My low-power GT gained over 5rwHP from just an upper plenum and TB. In terms of percentage of intake path length, these last two items are piddly. The NPI manifold pales in comparison to the PI manifold so precedent has shown that an improvement can be made in the basic design. I highly doubt the PI implementation is the be all and end all of that manifold topology. I don't give Ford engineers that much credit... Likely, there's room for improvement. Perhaps these guys have found it...

Once again, we need real-world, independent test data. A single claim of 23HP, without knowing any other details, is useless. So are assumptions that there's no more power to be had by delving into the biggest component of the intake tract.