yeah im not going to be getting long tubes so that is why I am wondering about these...I dont even know if these are in my budget yet...it seems like i keep on spending money and i cant even save anymore. When i get my tax return im going to be finishing installing my nitrous kit (only a 75 shot...nothing too crazy) and then I don't know what else im going to be doing with the car...I was thinking of maybe headers, tb, fuel pump, lowering springs, subframes and upper and lower control arms...that is depending if i can get decent deals on those items. If I still have my car by next christmas then wheels for it and then i think i will have a nice daily driver that sounds good and is pretty quick (when it needs to be)