Are all 94/95's this slow? Help Plz!

[Razor357]

Hello there, I recently upgraded from a fox-bodied Mustang to a 94 GT. I've installed equal-length headers, 2.5 off-road h-pipe and 2 chamber flowmasters. I've also installed under-drive pulleys and a K&N filter. I purchased the car with a bum transmission (AODE), so I took this time to have a race ready transmission installed, it's got all the goodies ie: shift-kit, larger servo and a tad larger than stock stall converter. All good mods right? Well...I took it for a spin at the tracks recently and the best et's I could pull were 16's!!! Hell my 92 ran 16's stock before all those upgrades!

I'm looking for help...I'm being told 94/95's are a basket case for mods like: ECU's reject upgrades, chips required for every install, can't go carb w/o total loss of electronics? Do I really need a 93 ECU before mods? Did the 94/95 really get the cold shoulder? I really want to mod my car with cams and TB's MAF's but where do I begin and what's the right things to buy? I've mod-ed 87-93's in my life so someone just make my 94 hum like it should! I've given thought to a 331 or 408 but what's needed to keep the computer from shuttin her down? And is 16's the best I can hope for her w/o a motor swap? My first post...I hope someone can find the time to point me in the right direction! Thanks!

 

[88GT460]

A O D E



Get some gears.

 

[wytstang]

I'm being told 94/95's are a basket case for mods like: ECU's reject upgrades, chips required for every install

Wrong the only thing are computer hate are cams then the go nuts

can't go carb w/o total loss of electronics?

Not sure

Do I really need a 93 ECU before mods?

Our computer are faster and generally superior all around

Did the 94/95 really get the cold shoulder?

On some parts yes headers being a little more money and having to buy an intake elbow.

I really want to mod my car with cams and TB's MAF's but where do I begin and what's the right things to buy?

By figuring out what you want out of the car and how much your willing to spend.

I've mod-ed 87-93's in my life so someone just make my 94 hum like it should! I've given thought to a 331 or 408 but what's needed to keep the computer from shuttin her down?

In any car your going to need it tuned for your aplication there are a few guys here running 418's

And is 16's the best I can hope for her w/o a motor swap? My first post...I hope someone can find the time to point me in the right direction! Thanks!

No there are plenty of people running well thought out h/c/i combo's running low 12's. One guy here (Allmotor95) in his vert using all over the counter parts has hit 11.90 (he's a good driver). Granted most of these guy are sticks and not auto's but it can be done.

 

[Synned]

I don't think those times are right..sometihng is wrong with the engine not just not enough power or mods. Does the car feel sluggish?

 

[DavidNC]

Replace the intake. The 94-95's have a Tbird intake wihich saps about 20hp. I use the TwEECer to tune the AODE shiftness and timing. It made a noticable improvement in performance.

 

[Killercanary]

If that's a coupe then there is definitely something wrong. My friend Charlie (onebad95) has what I have seen on here to be one of the slowest stock AODE cars, but his was a convertible. He ran a 16.2 in it COMPLETELY stock. The 'verts are on average >3 tenths slower than the coupes. (I ran a 15.2 at 90mph in my stock 5 speed 'vert, my cousin ran a 14.8 at 93mph in his stock 5 speed '94 GT coupe). Charlie was able to get his AODE 'vert into the 12's with H/C/I, a slightly higher stall, and a worked trans. There are plenty of coupe guys here in the low 14's with just bolt-ons, gears, and converters. The converter is where its at, and you will need a method of changing the shift point and stock rev limiter of the AODE car since it is set REALLY low (I think the max shift point is 5000rpms stock and the rev limiter is at 5250 if memory serves me right). I think something is a-miss with your car.

 

[NotQuik]

that definately does not seem right, mine went 15.3@92 bone stock w/ AODE in about 85 degree weather

 

[94blackntan]

Have you gotten it dyno tuned? If you know if its making HP, and you know the weight, you should know if you cant drive or most likely, if the car needs tuning.

I'm slowly fixing my dog too.... good luck.

 

[Pokageek]

MAF sensor needs cleaning-my vote.

"Wrong the only thing are computer hate are cams then the go nuts"

Mine didn't.

 

[droptopford 5 0]

ive seen a completely stock 94 aod-e vert with 2.73 gears, 50k miles, nearly a full tank of gas and a fatty driver run better than 16's, (i think it was like a 15.7, so dont be too discouraged but ya i think somethings wrong with your car... give it a tune up and see what you can do, if it doesnt like to rev in the higher rpms maybe your MAF is dirty too. dont be discouraged, these cars are a little heavier than foxes and generally a little more expensive to mod, but i think you'll love your sn-95 once you figre out some of these bugs.. most all of us do, thats why were here!

 

[Pokageek]

ive seen a completely stock 94 aod-e vert with 2.73 gears, 50k miles, nearly a full tank of gas and a fatty driver run better than 16's, (i think it was like a 15.7, so dont be too discouraged but ya i think somethings wrong with your car... give it a tune up and see what you can do, if it doesnt like to rev in the higher rpms maybe your MAF is dirty too. dont be discouraged, these cars are a little heavier than foxes and generally a little more expensive to mod, but i think you'll love your sn-95 once you figre out some of these bugs.. most all of us do, thats why were here!

Yep. Once they are modded or the factory restrictions are corrected, they fly. I read on Edmonds car Review that the fox coupes were 2850pds vs ..ny vert for example (b4 I reduced the weight) was rated at 3450. Can anyone verify the foxes were so light?

 

[Killercanary]

Yep. Once they are modded or the factory restrictions are corrected, they fly. I read on Edmonds car Review that the fox coupes were 2850pds vs ..ny vert for example (b4 I reduced the weight) was rated at 3450. Can anyone verify the foxes were so light?

The only fox that might have even weighed that light would have been a 5 speed 4cyl coupe. My dad's '91GT weighed 3190lbs stock, my cousin's '94GT weighed 3350, and my 95 vert weighed in at 3510 after a lot of weight reduction!


I second the vote to clean the MAF. Our EEC's are LOAD based and NOT RPM based like the 93-older cars. The EEC determines the load via the MAF, so if something is not right there it will definitely show its ugly head. Load is used in all spark and fuel tables in the EEC.

 

[Razor357]

I don't think those times are right..sometihng is wrong with the engine not just not enough power or mods. Does the car feel sluggish?

Out the hole it pulls nice, but quickly runs out of pep around 3800-4000 rpm's. I've also noticed a slight spark knock @ higher rpm's??? I've tried bumping the timing and it ran worse et's than in its factory location? It's running about 7 degrees now and I still get the spark knock on hot days/high rpm's. When I ran 17, or 15 or even 12 degrees the et's were alot worse? More problems than I originally thought? Car has 125k, but runs strong on a daily basis.

 

[Razor357]

ive seen a completely stock 94 aod-e vert with 2.73 gears, 50k miles, nearly a full tank of gas and a fatty driver run better than 16's, (i think it was like a 15.7, so dont be too discouraged but ya i think somethings wrong with your car... give it a tune up and see what you can do, if it doesnt like to rev in the higher rpms maybe your MAF is dirty too. dont be discouraged, these cars are a little heavier than foxes and generally a little more expensive to mod, but i think you'll love your sn-95 once you figre out some of these bugs.. most all of us do, thats why were here!

Oh... I'm lovin the SN-95, its a whole new breed of the tired fox's I drove, it's a breath of fresh air even though its 05, this 94 gives me the same feeling as driving in a new ride. The more responses I'm receiving the more I think there's a problem... I'll check the MAF today.

 

[Razor357]

How to mod rev limits and trans shift points?

Ok, I'm going to check MAF tonight after work, but several of you have mentioned the rev limit or computer restrictions. How do I mod these, or can they be with simple tweaks? Also, what is the best route to mod the AODE's line pressure and shift points? I see a few programs out there, any insights or feedback?

 

[wytstang]

The factory rev limiter on our cars is ready for this 7000rpms all the people here with EEC tuners have found this out. So if you wish to mod the puter you need an EEC tunner.

 

[Razor357]

The factory rev limiter on our cars is ready for this 7000rpms all the people here with EEC tuners have found this out. So if you wish to mod the puter you need an EEC tunner.

Ok, now where can I purchase one? Is there a model better than the rest or custom for my car?

 

[Killercanary]

The factory rev limiter on our cars is ready for this 7000rpms all the people here with EEC tuners have found this out. So if you wish to mod the puter you need an EEC tunner.

No, that is ONLY for the 5 speed T4MO EEC, not the AODE cars.

As for the pining/timing issue. Do a search there are a TON of threads here on the subject and it is a common problem. Ford's midrange spark tables are really screwey, and the EEC uses the MAF voltage to determine load and ultimately spark advance in our cars unlike the 93-older cars that were more rpm based than load based. Check your balancer too to see if its wobbly or if the outer shell may have spun on the center part giving you false timing readings, the balancers are another big problem with our cars for some reason. Our cars seem to eat them up. Romac's have proven to last though.

 

[Kornnut]

He never said his location, or the track he ran out. Could have been a combo of bad track, altitude, and hot weather.


Just a thought. Going back over to MD now

 

[wytstang]

No, that is ONLY for the 5 speed T4MO EEC, not the AODE cars.

I forgot he was AODE , as far a good EEC tunners the twEECer and the P.M.S are both the good. www.tweecer.com & http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/pms/pms-50.html