Best clutch and pressurel plate to buy for my combo?

1993SSP

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Best clutch and pressure plate to buy for my combo?

Look at my combo,plus I recently added a 6 psi supercharger, The FMS clutch Ive got cant handle it, Ive smoked it twice already, im also gonna add a new flywheel when I do the clutch. Im looking for a clutch with good pedal feel and great holding power.
 
1990LXDropTop said:
I recommend a Fidanza aluminum flywheel and either a nice Mcleod setup .. blah blah

If you are using for the street, I suggest a billet steel Fidanza and the McLeod clutch. Very nice and very streetable. A lot of guys will tell you an aluminum is good on the street ... I just prefer the steel. Good luck.
 
A billet steel flywheel is in the plan, I just dunno about aluminum for the street. Does the spec 2 have a nice good easy pedal, I dont want something that will wear my leg out in traffic
 
Pat12p said:
go with the spec stage 2, it will hold up to pretty much any beating you throw at it.


Without my SPEC Clutch bias I still think that's a pretty bold statement!!

If it's not gonna get drivin really hard at the track I think the CF Dual Friction would be a good choice. If you plan on doing some good hard launches with it at the track then you should probably step up to something a little more serious than a CF Dual friction.
 
Centerforce DF is the best, IMO. No clutch chatter, light pedal effort and can handle 550rwhp. But if ur launching @4000 and using slicks or ur r hitting over 600rwhp then consider the MMR RBT 700 from modularmustangracing.com.
 
I'm a fan of Centerforce clutches myself. I have a CF Stage II for my daily driver...very nice!

I would suggest not getting an aluminum flywheel for a daily driven street car. Get the billet steel:nice: Plus the alluminum "replacement plates" cost $80 bucks or so...
 
5spd GT said:
I'm a fan of Centerforce clutches myself. I have a CF Stage II for my daily driver...very nice!

I would suggest not getting an aluminum flywheel for a daily driven street car. Get the billet steel:nice: Plus the alluminum "replacement plates" cost $80 bucks or so...

Many people have aluminum flywheels in their cars and they are just fine for a daily driver. Have you ever run one?
 
1990LXDropTop said:
Have you ever run one?

Not on my car...I know 2 friends that have them...more "track oriented."

How many of those are on a daily driver? Just let me know...not "street cars" but daily drivers that see different situations...

From Will at Centerforce:

Another thing to think about is that in most cases the steel flyhweel has more heat sink. This typically means longer clutch life, seeing how heat is a big killer for clutches. The steel flywheel has more mass which allows it to absorb and dissipate the heat that is generated from the clutch when the car is put into motion. Both flywheels do have pros & cons, you should look at what some of the other guys with similar or the same set-up as what you have are using. Another thing to look at is what percentage of your driving is around town daily driving? Do you want every ounce of performance out of your car or are will to sacrifice a little performance for more drivable clutch around town? I not saying that the Aluminum flywheel is bad by any means I know allot of guys with the Aluminum flywheel that have no problems what so ever. I am just saying that steel vs aluminum on the street 9 times out of 10 the steel will have the better clutch feel.

Just my 2 cents.

Will Baty
Centerforce Clutches


Some other info...to "sink in":

The aluminum flywheel will help you decelerate quicker and accelerate a tick quicker if you want that little extra addition but some things to think about with the AFW is starting from a stop, particularly on hills, may require more slipping of the clutch to make up for the lower momentum than is stored in the heavier stock flywheel. Some jerking can be occured due to the loss of momentum possibly in between shifts for example as the rpm will drop sooner.

I would stay away from an aluminum flywheel on a daily driver and plus some of the harder grabbing clutches can tear up the aluminum flywheels...and aren't recommended with a aluminum flywheel.

Get a stock replacement or a nice billet steel one...(more expensive)...

This is posted from FastDriver - The answer to your question is that a 15 lbs weight would be easier to catch/stop if it has been thrown at you at the same speed as a 40 lb weight. A pretty obvious answer, but I think you are misinterpretting the results. A drag racing launch has nothing to do with ease of launch. If it did, you wouldn't launch at 6500 rpm, you'd launch right off of idle. Also, my clutch doesn't seem to have any problems grabbing my flywheel at any rpm. My tranny doesn't seem to have any problem managing the shock, and with the right tires and suspension, I will launch this car right off of redline with a single clutch drop.

The point is that you want as much stored energy to jump into your tires as possible, and you want your suspension/weight distribution/ tire combination set up so that it can handle all of the power and effectively put it to the ground - as opposed to wasting it by blowing away the tires.

In regard to your posit about stored energy being meaningless, I'll counter that stored evergy has everything to do with the difference between a heavy flywheel and a light one. In fact, stored energy is the only cause of a performance difference between an aluminum and iron flywheel.

The aluminum flywheel does not store as much energy as rpms increase which gives it an advantage in that the energy that would be stored in the flywheel has instead been exerted into the rotational force in the drivetrain and hence the driving force/power of your car.

In drag racing, that extra stored energy in the flywheel at a stop is put into your tires as soon as the clutch is dropped causing more force/power driving your car as it leaves the line. As your car moves down the track and rpms increase, the energy is transferred back and forth from the flywheel to the tires as rpms increase and then decrease (as you shift). Finally, when you cross the traps, rpms at the top of their powerband, the stored energy in the flywheel did not get put to good use. So, the advantage after you leave the line is to the lighter aluminum flywheel. Does it make up for the Iron one? Possibly. The longer the track, the more likely. However, will the difference be significant enough to justify the extra expenditure? Not to me."

"we lost like .20 on our 60 foot times with an alum flywheel. its the initial shock the torque ripping the tires is what was different and in turn they say about every .10 in the 60 foot is about .15 tenths in the quarter. i find this to be a close fact went from 11.50-11.55 to 11.68-11.71 in the quarter i dont remember mph."

"I have dyno tested several different flywheel and clutch combinations. I was part of the article for MM&FF that Robin mentioned over on HC50. If you can find that, theres alot of good info in there. Since then I have done some prototype testing for another clutch manufacturer. Believe me when I tell you, 9lbs will not make a difference on a chassis dyno doing high gear back to back pulls. If you averaged 5 or 6 pulls, making sure that engine temp, trans fluid temp, rearend oil temp, air intake temps, etc.. were the same, I'd suspect you might see 1 horsepower. Thats doing high gear pulls only. There are other ways of making pulls that will show a greater increase, and give more real world results."

"I beleive it was Eagle on here (the one that sells the rotating assemblies - Brian?) that said the AFW does react differently under normal conditions. He seems like a pretty credible source on it as well seeing how he does sell the rotating assemblies Ed Curtis and some others (can't remember) where suggesting keeping a steel flywheel in the heavier side of the cars (like 3200lbs and up)...so that is where my lx falls into."

For autocross cars, I agree...your up in the revs for 99% of the time (almost literally) and your not building up speed (revs) if your autocrossing right so the AFW would be beneficial in that case.

For the picky daily driver like me...I'm not for the AFW.

Just a couple...it isn't just "losing weight"...you lose other things as well. Driveability changes. revs drop quicker so your engine will "catch" more in between time when you shift gears...you don't have the rotational weight to help you "idle off"...

I would keep an AFW for a autocross car...not really a daily driver IMO.

This is also where I get my "online info"...as well as from my 2 two stang buddies :nice:

Good Luck with your choice...
 
look in" my garage" for my setup

my spec stage II is good on the street and still has the holding power to spin the tires when i am cruising in second gear at about 3000 rpm then hammer the gas.
 
5spd GT said:
How many of those are on a daily driver? Just let me know...not "street cars" but daily drivers that see different situations...

Talk to blackhatch (I think thats how he spelt it) from corral. He's got one on his n/a mild 331 daily driver. Don't 03 cobra's come factory with alum flywheels? (Not starting an arguement, just asking b/c I believe they do)

No drivebility issues on my alum flywheel street car. Great piece. I LOVE the fact of less wear and tear on my crankshaft due to less weight it has to turn and I LOVE the fact that its less wear on my rear main cap bearing due to less weight hanging off it it. One of the new reasons I chose alum aside from going faster.

1993ssp, thats odd your fms clutch is dying already. My fms hd had over 50k on it with TONS of beating, launching, street/track racing, nitrous and learning a 5spd on it. Anyway, I would highly suggest the set up I use. mcleod dual friction disk with a promotion blueprinted/modified fms hd pressure plate. This is NOT a stock fms hd press plate. If you've ever driven a king cobra clutch, this is what my clutch feels like. Nice pedal and will handle tons of power and higher rpm.
 
Grn92lx - Did you install the AFW along with the stroker. That will change the characteristics of how it will act. Is your car a daily driver?

Oh so blackhatch had a stroker as well...

How many times did you use the nitrous with that clutch? 3 times? Just a guess.

When an aluminum flywheel (or any flywheel for that matter) is spinning at 750rpm (app. idle) the "hanging off" weight does not work that way. Rotational weight keeps the flywheel "even" with centrifigual force. No extra stress. Same amount is applied on all sides because flywheels are balanced with an even weight distribution.
 
5spd GT said:
How many times did you use the nitrous with that clutch? 3 times? Just a guess.

Whatever 4 bottles adds up to. No clue how many times. It was very fun, but my lean issue made it not worth it b/c I didn't have the PMS at the time to fix it. I also needed the money so I sold it :( Won me a few bucks at the street races too ;)

When you use a lighter flywheel or balancer, its less weight the engine has to turn making it easier to work. Really simple logic here. Its less weight hanging off the ends of the crank, same way how going neutral balance is the most ideal way (less weight hanging off the ends) as opposed to 50oz or 28oz. Not all cranks can go neutral though.

Dunno why you asked me if my cars a daily driver, that has zero point :shrug:
 
Grn92LX said:
Whatever 4 bottles adds up to. No clue how many times. It was very fun, but my lean issue made it not worth it b/c I didn't have the PMS at the time to fix it. I also needed the money so I sold it :( Won me a few bucks at the street races too ;)

When you use a lighter flywheel or balancer, its less weight the engine has to turn making it easier to work. Really simple logic here. Its less weight hanging off the ends of the crank, same way how going neutral balance is the most ideal way (less weight hanging off the ends) as opposed to 50oz or 28oz. Not all cranks can go neutral though.

Dunno why you asked me if my cars a daily driver, that has zero point :shrug:


The AFW isn't prolonging anything on your crank. It is an imbalance...not the weight of the flywheel. It's better to balance the "internals" internally rather than externally. Doesn't conclude about the reciprocating weight.

A daily driven car will see more use and more situations where the characteristics of performance parts can be seen in a different light.
 
The reduced weight is less wear and tear on the crankshaft due to (obviously) less weight it has to turn.

Here is the opening statement from my alum flywheel instructions:

"Congratulations you have purchased the finest flywheel for both increased engine performance and engine life"

And heres this taken from a fidanza ad: "When using a Fidanza Flywheel, not only will you see a dramatic increase in usable horsepower, but engine life can also be extended since there will be less stress on the crankshaft"