Cam suggestion

94gtfreak · Jan 18, 2009

Hey everyone I am about to get my tax return and I am looking to get a H/C/I set up. Question, what cam can I get that wont screw with the computer? I was thinking of doing a trick flow street heat set up but not sure on the cam. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

(And I'm gettin a drop so no more 4x4 comments!)

turbogt · Jan 18, 2009

About the only two that won't mess with the computer too much are the trickflow stage 1 or the steeda #19.. You'd be better off getting a more agressive cam and getting the car tuned, picking up ALOT more power with your new HCI combo

94gtfreak · Jan 18, 2009

The steeda #19 cam is a nice one from what I've heard. If I was to get a tune what cam would work well with the trick flow kit, or should I use the one in it?

turbogt · Jan 18, 2009

A custom Ground FTI Cam (Ed Curtis from FTI), Anderson Motorsport makes a couple of stock piston friendly NA cams (call rick anderson directly)

But, if you are going to do the whole trickflow kit, then going with their cam will be good.. It leaves a lil on the table, but is a good, streetable cam well matched to the combo

revhead347 · Jan 19, 2009

You can't beat those HCI combo packages for the money. Both the Trick Flow kit and the Holley kit are good. If you are on a tight budget I would just stick to the cam that comes in the kit. Then if you come up with some cash later, and you want more, do a port job on the heads, and swap to a custom camshaft.

Kurt

94gtfreak · Jan 19, 2009

Awesome! I will be getting this soon (hopefully). Now after that and I start my new job I will hopefully getting a new engine. Just not sure though! Thanks Guys!

Grn92LX · Jan 19, 2009

Steeda cam sucks. Get a custom and tune if needed.

revhead347 · Jan 19, 2009

Steeda #18 cam works pretty good with 1.7 rockers. I had good luck with one. I ran 12.99 @ 105 in my Fox with an 18 cam and Windsor Jr. heads on a stock tune. That was like 10 years ago. Back then most people just played with timing and fuel pressure.

Kurt

ga94gt · Jan 19, 2009

Grn92LX said:
Steeda cam sucks. Get a custom and tune if needed.

Why does it suck? I am not going to argue that a custom is not the best but there is a guy on another fourm that made 293rwhp 317rwtq with AFR 165's, #19,1.72 rr's, Motorsport intake and stock bottom end. 100k+ mile motor

Yes I know not all combos will make the same power. With that said that is the only #19, alu head combo I have seen. But I think we can both agree that what the above car made is very respectable for an OTS combo.

final5-0 · Jan 19, 2009

It has been discussed over and over

What is streetable to one Stanger ain't to another

Having said that ... I won't go down that road

I can say this from what I've seen over the years from hanging
around on these boards

A good bit of the folk who did the TFS kit were not happy with
how the car behaved on the street and turned to a tune to
make things more acceptable

You can find all those old threads here but you'll have to search
them out for the details

Grady

final5-0 · Jan 19, 2009

I forgot to say a lot of the dyno pulls I've seen using the #19 were
kinda soft on the low end

I agree with turbogt from above

Pick a cam to make power
and
Tune the pcm to deal with drivability issues

Trying to kill both of those birds with the one stone of cam selection .......

Well ... You will compromise on both sides of the deal IMHO

Grady

ga94gt · Jan 19, 2009

final5-0 said:
I forgot to say a lot of the dyno pulls I've seen using the #19 were
kinda soft on the low end

I agree with turbogt from above

Pick a cam to make power
and
Tune the pcm to deal with drivability issues

Trying to kill both of those birds with the one stone of cam selection .......

Well ... You will compromise on both sides of the deal IMHO

Grady

Can you pm me those graphs with the #19 please sir

revhead347 · Jan 19, 2009

Tuning is expensive. You can make decent power on a stock tune with a mild cam and decent heads. If money is an issue, you might as well just start small and have a decent ride.

Kurt

Grn92LX · Jan 19, 2009

ga94gt said:
Why does it suck? I am not going to argue that a custom is not the best but there is a guy on another fourm that made 293rwhp 317rwtq with AFR 165's, #19,1.72 rr's, Motorsport intake and stock bottom end. 100k+ mile motor

Yes I know not all combos will make the same power. With that said that is the only #19, alu head combo I have seen. But I think we can both agree that what the above car made is very respectable for an OTS combo.

Peak numbers are nice for bragging but hows the rest of the powerband from 2500 to 6000? With out even seeing it I already know: its WEAK down low and NOSEDIVES up top. Now combine that with the typical heavy sn95 car and the typical 3.55-3.73 gearing and you have a car that will be lucky to run 13.2 If you're gonna spend $1500 on a cylinder head, use a real cam don't be cheap. The cam puts the whole package together.

ga94gt · Jan 19, 2009

So in your opinion what would you consider a "real cam" other than custom? Just wondering?

Any idea how the #19 is with a blower or turbo?

final5-0 · Jan 19, 2009

ga94gt said:
Can you pm me those graphs with the #19 please sir

I'll post em up here

IIRC ... One or more was done in a comparison kinda deal

I'll just have to go to my host site and poke around to see if I can find
where I did it in the past

It may not be tonight but I'll try

Grady

final5-0 · Jan 19, 2009

ga94gt said:
Can you pm me those graphs with the #19 please sir

I only had one combo using the #19 cam and it was a blown 347

Not an application suited to this thread

After looking for the data ... I did remember ......

I've asked for dyno pulls using said cam before

however

I've gotten no info that I can use which will I feel is displayed in such a
fashion that allows me to keep any kind of accuracy

It is not all that easy to take a dyno pull and arrive at numerical numbers
from the chart :Word: don't ya know

Most of the time the charts are hard to read or crooked or stuff like that

I can say this for sure

I do focus in on Street Applications
and
One of my main criteria I use to focus on is the torque curve

If it doesn't make 300#'s BEFORE 3K ... Its not in the "Top Notch" group

It goes without saying
You can arrive at such a conclusion with just about any pull that is displayed
on a forum without going to too much trouble even if the chart is of
poor quality

anyway .....

I've seen very few combos
and
I kinda think I've seen none ... Make that objective using said cam

Now having said that ... If I have been mistaken

I'm certainly up to making a recant about that info
but
As a rule of thumb ... I feel that is the tendency of said cam

Again ... If anybody has got some charts or numbers of a pull that would
be relevant to the application here in this thread

Post em up

If I end up looking like a Goat ... I can live with it

Mr. 94gtfreak ... Maybe we can get some hard data to help you yet

Grady

ga94gt · Jan 19, 2009

Here is one to add to your collection. AFR 165, Steeda #19 cam, 1.72, motorsport intake

Grn92LX · Jan 19, 2009

ga94gt said:
So in your opinion what would you consider a "real cam" other than custom? Just wondering?

A cam designed to tie the entire package together to give the person exactly what they want. If not a custom, I like the Anderson hi rev cams for some stuff.

hollywoodstang · Jan 19, 2009

I do have #19 camshaft and people told me i would still need a tune. It is true that you need a tune no matter what kind of cam you use to get the maximum amount of power and great driveability.

I am using edelbrock heads and intake and steeda #19 cam. I still need a dyno & tune.

From what i have seen #19 cam is okay for daily driver or just mild mod street car. I am happy it's better then stock LOL

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