Car put me down......again. What now?

Wayne Waldrep

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I'm sitting here waiting to head out. I was about to walk out earlier when y'all decided I needed to pull the car apart instantly... :jester: Gonna wait on Mike to chime back in as well before I leave. I appreciate the quick discussion.
 
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I really hate to throw out a "could be this", but I'm gonna this time..with a story.

When I got my '87, it had a bunch of problems. Randomly idle to 1600 rpms when ever it felt like, rough idle, a bunch of stuff. I ended up going through all the sensors and replacing them all with new Motorcraft ones. All my problems went away...or so I thought. Every day I drove it, it would shut off on me once. Could be 2 minutes after starting, could be 30 minutes. It was so random, I couldn't trace the problem, and no codes. It would only do this once a day, and I'd have to turn the key off then restart and everything was fine for the day....until the next day when it would do it again. I also replaced the ignition switch because it was coming apart. One day, I was running errands in the car and it shut off a second time. Left me stranded and had to get a pull home. Pretty embarrassing.

When I got home, on a whim, replaced the ignition module with an old one I had laying around. Started and ran fine. The brand new Motorcraft module was junk out of the box. Since this, I got a bunch of Motorcraft modules from the scrapyard and have been running those and haven't had a problem again. Also, keep two spares in the car just in case. Since then, I did the remote mount for the module on a heat sink to try to keep as much heat out of it as possible.

I guess my point is new bad parts is becoming so common now days, you just can't trust them.....even Ford parts.
This car has 250k+ on the body too and I'd trust it anywhere, anytime now. There's no reason these cars can't be daily driven...just have to find new parts that are good.
Dave

ETA: This car also has the mass air upgrade with parts out of a '89 car.
 

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Took the column wrap off. Grabbed the connector and there's zero movement between the two halves. What do ya think?

Nothing jumps out at me as a "yes you need to replace that" based on photo and lack of movement. Unplug the connector. How do the connections look? clean and free of burns?

I'd probably save my money for now...but keep it in the back of your head
 

Wayne Waldrep

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So last year was when I bought that cheesy distributor and ended up taking it back. Not really because it was not a quality piece but because it didn't fix the car back then. I was fiddling around then and took the coil wire off the coil and the stud or post had just broken off the coil. That was giving me the shutting off deal back then. So I put a new coil on it and it was good. No more issues.
Fast forward to now. As you can imagine, the first thing I checked a few months ago when the shut offs started happening again was the coil. Nothing found. I decided to forget it and move on....I mean, it's NEW. So today before I head over to buy the distributor, and after talking with you guys, I started having doubts. Nothing new for me since I doubt everything...lol. Just in case, I removed the coil wire again. Post stayed in place and didn't move when I shook it....much. Got to my friends car lot where I was going to swap the distributor. There's a nice shady spot in the very back and new asphalt. No dirt! A buddy of mine happened to be over there and he walked over to see what I was doing with the hood up. I told him what I was doing and just for giggles, told him to remove the coil wire and see if he saw any movement from the post. The thing came apart again just like last year!! Junk parts I'm telling you! I can't see up right now on my phone but whoever posted that the word NEW means nothing anymore was exactly right. Dave!
Here's the good news. Lifetime warranty. I took the coil off and ran over to O'Reilly. They looked it up on my account since I didn't bring the receipt with me and gave me a new one...No charge. They said BWD, which was the one I bought last year, was bought out by Standard Motor Products. So the new one is the Blue Streak Standard Motor coil #FD478. I put it on and the car started up but it always did that. I'll drive it for a few days or weeks and hopefully this particular problem is fixed. Thanks for all the help. If it weren't for the discussion today making me pause a moment I'd have bought the distributor already....May still have to but we will see.

Thanks!
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New coil.

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For what it's worth, I just checked with Napa about their distributors and PIP coils. They told me that the distributors have a one year warranty, and the PIP coils have a 3 year warranty. I saw one of your previous posts about not knowing Napa's warranty on these..

I was having a pretty bad cut-out under load at around 50% throttle or more. It ran perfectly otherwise. I was switching out rotors, caps, etc and test driving it, then it just died on me and left me stranded.

I drug it home and I installed the closed bowl type of distributor (SN95) with a factory PIP in it, and butchered an old 92 Thunderbird harness for the TFI wiring and relocated my TFI to the core support. I used an old no-name brand TFI module from the junkyard and cut it in half to make a connector because my harness has been wrapped to where my TFI connector won't reach anywhere. After soldering I filled the "connector" with marine grade high heat epoxy.

It's been reliable so far, but I've only put about 200 miles on it. I will say the TFI module and heatsink, after being relocated, doesn't even get warm to the touch now.


Oh, and the rebuilt (Motorcraft casting) distributor I got from Napa about 1.5 years ago, the hole for the rotor shaft was drilled off-center in the distributor body/casting. To the point the rotor was hitting one of the terminals inside the cap and the reluctor wheel was hitting the pick-up on the PIP. The shaft wasn't bent and the bearings had zero play. So I ended up killing two birds with one stone by relocating my TFI and going to a SN95 style distributor. The wiring harness was easy to make once I sat down with the diagrams.


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Wire harness in progress.. You can see the SN95 style distributor round plug.
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I pulled my hair out for a year chasing down a hesitation in my car tha I thought was fuel related. Ended up buying a USED oem ford coil off eBay vs the new stuff out there today. I just don’t trust much of it for these old cars.....even motorcraft

Couple years ago i did tie rod ends on my daily. Within a month I felt something loose. Assumed it was the steering rack. Nope...my new Moog tie rod ends we’re junk.

Motorcraft just not like it used to be. Even the spark plugs all made by NGK now
 

Wayne Waldrep

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I pulled my hair out for a year chasing down a hesitation in my car tha I thought was fuel related. Ended up buying a USED oem ford coil off eBay vs the new stuff out there today. I just don’t trust much of it for these old cars.....even motorcraft

Couple years ago i did tie rod ends on my daily. Within a month I felt something loose. Assumed it was the steering rack. Nope...my new Moog tie rod ends we’re junk.

Motorcraft just not like it used to be. Even the spark plugs all made by NGK now
Dang. I like Moog parts. I think some Motorcraft is a notch above and some not worth the extra. The problem is you don't know which that applies to.
 
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Dang. I like Moog parts. I think some Motorcraft is a notch above and done not worth the extra. The problem is you don't know which that applies to.

I think new Motorcraft is fine. A lot of it is the same supplier of parts for cars currently made.

It’s old motorcraft that I think has fallen off. Parts for a car that hasn’t been made in 30 years gets subbed out to the cheapest bidder as I imagine volumn is much lower
 
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