Drivetrain Clutch Issues

Sep 22, 2017
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I have a 1990 GT 5.0 5 speed
It has a king Cobra clutch that has been in the car for about 15 years. For the first 12ish years I had an adjustable Clutch cable in the car then I went through two clutch cables one snapped and one melted. I bit the bullet and bought a maximum motorsports non adjustable cable. Since this new cable, was installed I have to let the engine rev down completely (double shifting) before I can shift in all the gears. The clutch seems to be slipping at higher RPM's also. The cable is especially taught when I installed it. I had to take out the actual screw adjuster in the firewall and leave in the plate that goes through the firewall in place in order to install the cable in the fork

Does this seem more of a transmission issue like bad synchronizers or does this sound like a clutch/cable combo?
 
Clutch Adjustment for stock and aftermarket setups
Revised 28-Apr-2016 to include need for longer cable with single hook quadrant

Clutch adjustment with stock cable and quadrant
There is a self-adjusting mechanism for the clutch cable. As the clutch wears the cable tension changes, that is why there is a self-adjusting mechanism built into the clutch pedal. There is a toothed plastic quadrant with a ratchet pawl that engages the quadrant. As you pull up on the clutch pedal, it ratchets and takes any slack out of the clutch cable. Mess around with the pedal or even bump it while the end that fits in the clutch fork is loose, and it tries to take up the slack in the cable. That has the effect of shortening the cable.

Do the clutch adjustment first before considering any other problems. With the stock plastic quadrant and cable, pull up on the clutch pedal until it comes upward toward you. It will make a ratcheting sound as the self-adjuster works. To release to tension of the stock quadrant, use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet paw up and out of engagement with the quadrant teeth.

You can use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet pawl off the quadrant teeth. That will allow you to move the quadrant to allow more slack in the cable. If the cable is too loose, pull up on the pedal. The ratchet pawl will allow the quadrant to take up the slack in the cable and lock the adjustment.

Adjustable cables are used when the plastic quadrant is replaced with an aftermarket metal quadrant. The downside to this setup is that you have to get under the car to adjust the clutch. Add a firewall adjuster to an adjustable cable setup and you can spare yourself from getting back under the car to make any fine adjustment that you desire.

The fancy 2 and 3 hook quadrants are for use with stock length cable and a firewall adjuster. Use the firewall adjuster and screw in and out to take the slack out of the cable and get the clutch engagement point just where you want it.

Binding clutch cable
A binding clutch cable will make the clutch very stiff. If the cable is misrouted or has gotten too close to the exhaust, it will definitely bind. The binding common to adjustable cables is often due to misplacement of the adjusting nuts on the fork end of the cable. This will also cause the cable to wear and fray. Both nuts should be on the back side of the fork so that the domed nut faces the fork and the other nut serves as jam or locknut to the domed nut.

Clutch pedal adjustment
Clutch pedal adjustment with aftermarket quadrant and cable: I like to have the clutch completely disengaged and still have about 1.5” travel left before the pedal hits the floor. This means that I have only about 1” of free play at the top before the pedal starts to disengage the clutch. Keep in mind that these figures are all approximate. When properly adjusted, there will not be any slack in the clutch cable. You will have 4-15 lbs. preload on the clutch cable. With a non-adjustable cable and a firewall adjuster, the cable needs to go in the second hook of the quadrant. Single hook quadrants used with a firewall adjuster may make the clutch too tight, causing it to slip. The possible exception to this is the Maximum Motorsports cable which is a bit longer to make it work with a single hook quadrant.

Adjustable clutch cable tips:
Loosening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the rear of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the floor.

Tightening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the front of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the top of the pedal.

Firewall adjuster tips
Turning the firewall adjuster IN makes the engagement point closer to the floor since it loosens the cable. You have to push the pedal to the floor to disengage the clutch. Too loose a cable and the clutch won't completely disengage and shifting will be difficult. Gears will grind and you may have difficulty getting the transmission in first gear when stopped.

Turning the firewall adjuster OUT makes the engagement point farther from the floor since it tightens the cable. You push a short distance to disengage the clutch. Too tight a cable will cause clutch slippage.

Aftermarket solutions to the problem:
The quadrant needs to be replaced if you use any type of aftermarket cable or adjuster. My preference is a Ford Racing quadrant, adjustable cable and Steeda firewall adjuster. The adjustable Ford Racing cable is just as good as the stock OEM cable. It allows a greater range of adjustment than a stock cable with a aftermarket quadrant and firewall adjuster. Combined with the Steeda adjuster, it lets you set the initial cable preload and then fine tune the clutch engagement point to your liking without getting under the car.

Using a stock OEM cable, firewall adjuster and a single hook quadrant may result in not having any free pedal travel before the clutch starts to disengage. I found this out the hard way.

See Summit Racing - High Performance Car and Truck Parts l 800-230-3030 for the following parts.

Ford Racing M-7553-B302 - Ford Racing V-8 Mustang Adjustable Clutch Linkage Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com Cable and quadrant assembly $90

The Ford Racing Adjustable cable is available as a separate part:
Clutch Cable, Adjustable, Ford, Mercury, 5.0L, Kit FMS-M-7553-C302_HE_xl.webp

[url=http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDA-555-7021/]Steeda Autosports 555-7021 - Steeda Autosports Firewall Cable Adjusters - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Steeda firewall adjuster. $40

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Fix for the quadrant end of the cable popping out of the quadrant when installing a replacement cable courtesy of Grabbin' Asphalt
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Help for those who have replaced the clutch assembly and are still having problems with adjustment:
The next step doesn't make much sense it you already have the transmission installed, but just for sake of discussion, here it is:
The throwout bearing sits in the clutch fork arm with the wave springs pressing on the rear flange of the throwout bearing.

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Major differences between the distance between the flywheel surface and the clutch fingers may require tinkering with the clutch fork pivot ball. Stack your old pressure plate, clutch disc and flywheel up like they were when installed in the car. Tighten down all the pressure plate bolts and measure the distance between the clutch fingertips and the flywheel face.
Too much thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far back to get the clutch cable on the quadrant. It may even sit against the rear or the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm. In that case, reduce the pivot ball height.
Too little thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far forward and bottom out against the front side of the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm.. This will prevent the clutch from fully disengaging.
In other words, the clutch fork arm should sit positioned midway or a little towards the rear in the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm when the cable is properly tensioned.[/url]
 
Update:
So I did some reading and with the maximum motorsport cable the BBK quadrant is not the proper design. The maximum motorsports quadrant is made to be used with non adjustable cables. I went ahead and replaced the tired clutch, and ordered the MM quadrant. I will update after the quadrant gets here and we shall see what happens
 
It's definitely the quadrant. I know exactly what you're describing. Some quadrants come with 2 hooks. One of them allows the use of the non-adjustable cable, and the other is meant for the kind with the adjustable nut on the end.
 
Oh, cool man. If you can remember a thread or a comment, you'd probably be able to find it in a search. Would be cool to see if we'd recognize you. You probably remember me, and maybe Mike (Mustang5L5) because we were moderators for about 10 years.

I forgot to mention in my last comment that I'm just slightly worried about the slipping you said is happening at the top of the power band. Setting the clutch right will allow the pressure plate to add the full clamping force, which should eliminate slip unless there's too much wear or damage. However, I'm just concerned that the slipping has already worn the clutch a lot. Generally, once a clutch starts slipping, it never stops. But, if it's slipping because there's too much pressure being applied by your cable/quadrant setup on the clutch fork, that's different. So, hopefully, you haven't put any permanent wear on the disc, flywheel, or PP due to the slipping.
 
I Went ahead and replaced the clutch, PP and TO bearing, that clutch was 10-12 years old and my driveline guy said he wouldn’t reuse any of it. I will see if I can find some of my old threads, massonz(sp) mustang 5l5, fastdriver (you), newbs347, jrichker were just a few of the names I remember
 
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Well, you should definitely be good to go acter all of that. Which clutch did you end up going with?

The local drive shop makes their own kit, they said these have been put behind a 700hp Saleen and survived so I figured it was good for me. I will report back, the quadrant was delivered today so once I get off work it’s going in. Because of life I have neglected the stang the last few years and not been driving it enough, I hope to change that
 
well my new MM came in today, the quadrant is about 2.5'' shorter than my old one, got it installed with all the shims and man, the pedal difference and grip is amazing. its hard not to kill it at a stop light because I'm used to feathering the gas and letting go of the clutch, not anymore! I accidently cut some doughnuts this AM on the way to work