Im not breaking your balls, Ive just seen so many times cars with similar combo's that run worlds apart, even w/ the same driver. So many tiny little things factor into a car running fast:
1. suspension, not just the parts, but having a combination that works for your particular car, proper setup, tires, air pressure, etc...
2. tune, maf, injectors, ignition, plugs, plug gap,fuel pump, etc..
3. track, stickiness, heat, cold, d/a, headwind, tailwind, etc...
4. Driver, powershift, missing gears, proper launch, bog, spin, wrong shift points, etc...
5. All the little things, race weight, weight off of the front end, rotasional mass, keeping car cool, oil hot, icing intake, pump fron tires to 45psi, etc...
There are so many other little things that factor into all of this, ive seen so many car that could run in the 11's @ 113-115mph but they end up running low 13's @ 106-108mph if that!! All the same parts, just none of the little things!
At first ... I was a bit taken back with those comments. It seemed as if
I was not aware of such things.
but after thinking about it a bit
I had to come to the conclusion last night ... those comments were intended to
show ... potential is one thing ... and ... actual results are another
So ... I said all that to say ... I got no probs with the comments
and
The fact I've seen hundreds of your past posts ...
Well ... that made me see you were not trying to be offensive
and
Your intent was to try and help the entire community
All of the things you pointed out here are ...right on ... as I see it
My focus has always been on the Street so 1/4 values are not my bench
mark for judgment of whether a combo is successful or not
1) Driver skill
and
2) The amount of car prep for effective 1/4 mile use
can and does make a H U G E difference as you have pointed out here.
It is that variance of 1 & 2 that makes me prefer Dyno to 1/4 mile results
cause it is easier to duplicate peeps ability to just floor the skinny pedal
in 4th gear and lift at 6K
Grady
I see a lot of those combo's running that because they have a custom cam set-up for THEIR application.
For some reason, some seem to think a custom cam means extreme performance.
Ed Curtis has did custom cams for SOUND alone.
I see two cars with the exact same variables, and one can run 112, and one can run 109. Same cars, driver, conditions, etc. But because the 109 mph guy wanted emissions, great idle, great vacuum, low-mid range power for their preference. While the 112 mph guy may want to shift past 6k, doesn't worry about low-mid range power so much, and doesn't live in Cali
The cool thing is, they both get a smile on their face, because they got what they wanted.
There are thousands of combinations out there that have tons more potential. We all know this.
But then again, there are thousands of combos out there that do exactly what they wanted.
I know mine does, even though it doesn't trap 115mph in the quarter.
Goals and budgets differ from stanger to stanger
We can't expect everyone to hit 115mph at the track.
The important thing is, is how they like their car
Good points ... and ... well worded
I went custom cam because I wanted the ability to specify certain
things that were important to me and then get assurance from Ed
he could deliver them
I must point out ...
peak power was at the bottom of my requirement list
After several emails and lengthy phone calls with Ed ............
One of my last questions for him was how quick could I cover 1320 feet
His response was ... mid 11's in a properly setup Fox notch
Now ... after hearing that ... I did N O T
see my GT ever laying down mid 11's
but
It did give me an idea of ... potential ... power to be expected
Again ... My focus is on Street application and I would more
define that with these words
How is it gonna perform when I'm at a low rpm cruise and just
mat the skinny pedal in 2nd ... 3rd ... and 4th gear
Things turned out B E T T E R than expected with the combo
Ed and the Tweecer were two of the main reasons IMHO :Word:
My last thoughts here are to show differences as I see them in
1/4 mile and Street goals
You can have a gutted Fox Notch with very few motor mods
and that thing can lay down some impressive 1/4 mile et's if
you are doing drag suspension, slicks, steep gear and all the
other 1/4 mile tricks
however
Take that same car out on the street and floor it in a high gear
from a low rpm and it is not gonna favorably impress you
Why ... cause ... its setup for quick et's
but
It won't have a broad power band
and
Its not producing much more power than stock
Just another way to show what you have so nicely said here
One guy wants one thing out of his Stang
and
Another wants something different
so
You build them differently
Grady
