Custom grind camshafts?

I did an FTI cam way back in 02

Ed gave me all I expected and them some

We exchanged several emails and had a couple lengthy
phone conversations

I will tell you he is most busy during the race season :Word:

See the links in my sig for more details

I've seen many happy peeps who have run Jay's cams as well

I think both are quite capable from what I've seen

Grady

Im running a Camshaft Innovations custom billet cam and I couldnt be happier w/
Jay's service, especially after the sale.
Good luck!

Sirone said:

And final 5.oh what kinda 1/4 times are u running? Your power is pretty nice.

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I've not taken my GT to the strip

Paul Riva has a heavier Vert with an almost identical combo that he was
knockin on the doors of 11 sec et's with.

I think it was something like 12.0x IIRC

Grady

12.03 at 112.51 mph I think

Either one can set you up with something you want out of your combination

I went with Ed Curtis at FTI. He does most of his business now, thru emails.

Here is a list of parts you may need for a h/c/i swap, and they are just examples. You do not have to go with those exact part numbers or parts

Checklist and Suggested Parts:

Parts are specific for 87-93 although most parts are the same for 94/95.

Head Gaskets - ROL-HG32841HR (.039) or ROL-HG32841HT (.045)
Lower Intake Gasket – FEL-MS93334 (stock) or FEL1250S
Upper to Lower Intake Gasket – Depends on Intake Used.
Valve Cover Gaskets* - FMS-M-6584-A50 (OEM)
Thermostat Gasket - FEL-35440
Timing Cover/Front Seal/Water Pump/Oil Pan U Gasket Kit - FEL-TCS45449
Water Pump Gasket - FEL-35211 (Plate to Block), FEL-35380 (Pump to Plate)
Head Bolts - FEL-ES72155 (stock), ARP-154-3601 (7/16”, recommended)
Header/Manifold Gaskets – FEL-1415
EGR Valve Gasket* - EDL-3830 (65-70mm TB/EGR/Plate to Valve Gasket)
Throttle Body Gasket - Same as above.
Intake Air Bypass Valve Gasket* - Same as above.
Hardened Pushrods
Timing Chain/Gear - FMS-M-6268-A302 or RollMaster - CS3071
Fuel Injectors
Mass Air Flow Sensor Calibrated for Injector
Fuel Pump (Stock is 88 or 95lph – Upgrade to 155/190/255lph)

*Optional

There are many different brands of products that you could use above instead of the ones outlined.

Tools:

¼”-15/16” Shallow and Deep Well Sockets and Wrenches
Combination of Extensions
Break Over Bar
Torque Wrench
Harmonic Balancer Puller
Gear Puller* (optional for stubborn timing chain)
Moroso Oil Pump Primer* - MOR-62210
A/C and Fuel Line Disconnect Tools*
Allen Wrenches*
Adjustable Wrench
Flathead and Phillips Screwdriver
Cam Degree Kit*
LocTite
Ultra Black RTV
Antiseize
Thread Sealer for Lower Head Bolts and Coolant Sensors
Assembly Lube or Oil for cam/lifters
Two Oil Changes and Filters
Ford Thermactor Plugs* (2 extra plugs if no smog equipment)
Gasket Scraper
Brake Cleaner
Degreaser*
Ziploc Bags*
Masking Tape*
Marker*

Sirone said:

Thank you 5 spd gt for all the info. Really appreciated. But I already have the intake and heads swap on my car. I just need to know what to be ready for as far as the cam swap goes. And 12.0's in a full weight n/a vert is impressive.

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About that 12.0 et

Paul has very quick hands and feet
and
He has mucho track time which allowed him to find all the tricks

So ... I don't wanna mislead you here

A more realistic result with other 94-95 AFR/Edel/FTI oem blocked
combos is 12.50 to 12.75

Some of those folk were able to reach that range of et with just
a time or two at the track.

Grady

final5-0 said:

I've not taken my GT to the strip

Paul Riva has a heavier Vert with an almost identical combo that he was
knockin on the doors of 11 sec et's with.

I think it was something like 12.0x IIRC

Grady

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Just because someone else's car runs a number at the drag strip w/ a similar combo dosent mean you will do the same. There's alot more to it than that...

gmkillr said:

Just because someone else's car runs a number at the drag strip w/ a similar combo dosent mean you will do the same. There's alot more to it than that...

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He already took care of that. But I see you two posted at the same time

Believe, Grady of all people, would realize this

gmkillr said:

Just because someone else's car runs a number at the drag strip w/ a similar combo dosent mean you will do the same. There's alot more to it than that...

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You are correct to say similar combos are not all the same

It was my intent to give credibility to the combo's potential

I was trying to keep the human factor out of the discussion

Believe it or not ... They really did have drag strips back when I was
as young as a lot of you guys

I mean ... I have been down the 1/4 mile strip a time or two myself
but again
I was not trying to imply I could do any better or worse than Paul

Grady

Im not breaking your balls, Ive just seen so many times cars with similar combo's that run worlds apart, even w/ the same driver. So many tiny little things factor into a car running fast:

1. suspension, not just the parts, but having a combination that works for your particular car, proper setup, tires, air pressure, etc...

2. tune, maf, injectors, ignition, plugs, plug gap,fuel pump, etc..

3. track, stickiness, heat, cold, d/a, headwind, tailwind, etc...

4. Driver, powershift, missing gears, proper launch, bog, spin, wrong shift points, etc...

5. All the little things, race weight, weight off of the front end, rotasional mass, keeping car cool, oil hot, icing intake, pump fron tires to 45psi, etc...

There are so many other little things that factor into all of this, ive seen so many car that could run in the 11's @ 113-115mph but they end up running low 13's @ 106-108mph if that!! All the same parts, just none of the little things!

I see a lot of those combo's running that because they have a custom cam set-up for THEIR application.

For some reason, some seem to think a custom cam means extreme performance.

Ed Curtis has did custom cams for SOUND alone.

I see two cars with the exact same variables, and one can run 112, and one can run 109. Same cars, driver, conditions, etc. But because the 109 mph guy wanted emissions, great idle, great vacuum, low-mid range power for their preference. While the 112 mph guy may want to shift past 6k, doesn't worry about low-mid range power so much, and doesn't live in Cali

The cool thing is, they both get a smile on their face, because they got what they wanted.

There are thousands of combinations out there that have tons more potential. We all know this.

But then again, there are thousands of combos out there that do exactly what they wanted.

I know mine does, even though it doesn't trap 115mph in the quarter.

Goals and budgets differ from stanger to stanger

We can't expect everyone to hit 115mph at the track.

The important thing is, is how they like their car

gmkillr said:

Im not breaking your balls, Ive just seen so many times cars with similar combo's that run worlds apart, even w/ the same driver. So many tiny little things factor into a car running fast:

1. suspension, not just the parts, but having a combination that works for your particular car, proper setup, tires, air pressure, etc...

2. tune, maf, injectors, ignition, plugs, plug gap,fuel pump, etc..

3. track, stickiness, heat, cold, d/a, headwind, tailwind, etc...

4. Driver, powershift, missing gears, proper launch, bog, spin, wrong shift points, etc...

5. All the little things, race weight, weight off of the front end, rotasional mass, keeping car cool, oil hot, icing intake, pump fron tires to 45psi, etc...

There are so many other little things that factor into all of this, ive seen so many car that could run in the 11's @ 113-115mph but they end up running low 13's @ 106-108mph if that!! All the same parts, just none of the little things!

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At first ... I was a bit taken back with those comments. It seemed as if
I was not aware of such things.

but after thinking about it a bit

I had to come to the conclusion last night ... those comments were intended to
show ... potential is one thing ... and ... actual results are another

So ... I said all that to say ... I got no probs with the comments
and
The fact I've seen hundreds of your past posts ...

Well ... that made me see you were not trying to be offensive
and
Your intent was to try and help the entire community

All of the things you pointed out here are ...right on ... as I see it

My focus has always been on the Street so 1/4 values are not my bench
mark for judgment of whether a combo is successful or not

1) Driver skill
and
2) The amount of car prep for effective 1/4 mile use
can and does make a H U G E difference as you have pointed out here.

It is that variance of 1 & 2 that makes me prefer Dyno to 1/4 mile results
cause it is easier to duplicate peeps ability to just floor the skinny pedal
in 4th gear and lift at 6K

Grady

5spd GT said:

I see a lot of those combo's running that because they have a custom cam set-up for THEIR application.

For some reason, some seem to think a custom cam means extreme performance.

Ed Curtis has did custom cams for SOUND alone.

I see two cars with the exact same variables, and one can run 112, and one can run 109. Same cars, driver, conditions, etc. But because the 109 mph guy wanted emissions, great idle, great vacuum, low-mid range power for their preference. While the 112 mph guy may want to shift past 6k, doesn't worry about low-mid range power so much, and doesn't live in Cali

The cool thing is, they both get a smile on their face, because they got what they wanted.

There are thousands of combinations out there that have tons more potential. We all know this.

But then again, there are thousands of combos out there that do exactly what they wanted.

I know mine does, even though it doesn't trap 115mph in the quarter.

Goals and budgets differ from stanger to stanger

We can't expect everyone to hit 115mph at the track.

The important thing is, is how they like their car

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Good points ... and ... well worded

I went custom cam because I wanted the ability to specify certain
things that were important to me and then get assurance from Ed
he could deliver them

I must point out ...
peak power was at the bottom of my requirement list

After several emails and lengthy phone calls with Ed ............

One of my last questions for him was how quick could I cover 1320 feet

His response was ... mid 11's in a properly setup Fox notch

Now ... after hearing that ... I did N O T
see my GT ever laying down mid 11's

but

It did give me an idea of ... potential ... power to be expected

Again ... My focus is on Street application and I would more
define that with these words

How is it gonna perform when I'm at a low rpm cruise and just
mat the skinny pedal in 2nd ... 3rd ... and 4th gear

Things turned out B E T T E R than expected with the combo
Ed and the Tweecer were two of the main reasons IMHO :Word:

My last thoughts here are to show differences as I see them in
1/4 mile and Street goals

You can have a gutted Fox Notch with very few motor mods
and that thing can lay down some impressive 1/4 mile et's if
you are doing drag suspension, slicks, steep gear and all the
other 1/4 mile tricks

however

Take that same car out on the street and floor it in a high gear
from a low rpm and it is not gonna favorably impress you

Why ... cause ... its setup for quick et's
but
It won't have a broad power band
and
Its not producing much more power than stock

Just another way to show what you have so nicely said here

One guy wants one thing out of his Stang
and
Another wants something different
so
You build them differently

Grady

Steeda #19 with 1.7's would put the lift around .510" and with the port work you're going to do the extra lift should help. The 115 deg. LSA is ground into the cam obviously, but 1.7's would have the effect of "narrowing" the LSA slightly. The exhaust bias should also complement the NOS.

I haven't seen a spec for the intake lobe centerline on the Steeda, but I suppose you could advance it maybe two degrees. With 4.10's though how much low end do you need?

Grady, im sorry if my post came off the wrong way, I wasnt trying to be a jerk or be a know it all or anything like that. I just like to help inform everybody that there way more that goes into it than engine parts. Now get that thing to the track & lets see what she'll do!!!