Engine Defective PIP sensor ?

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I have a problem with my 93 5.0 fox body. The car run great but have a little lost in power. I also notice that sometime, the tach needle makes small abrupt jumps (100 rpm or so) at idle and also on part thottle when cruising. The engine run smooth and good. Can this be a PIP sensor problem ? I already have replace, plugs, cap,rotor and wires, Stock oem distributor.

Thank for the help !
 
TFI. PIP either works or it doesn’t.

I often defer to Aero because he's almost always right but I've had an intermittent PiP before and seen it a lot in these forums. If I recall, I used @Mustang5L5 's how-to thread to rebuild my distributor with OEM parts (but I can't find the thread, ATM).

Here is a list of things you can check:

– Dump the codes (KOEO / KOER).
Use a paperclip/test light or a scanner on the EEC-IV port. Even if the Check Engine Light is off, codes may be stored. Pay attention to ignition-related codes such as 14 (PIP circuit fault), 18 (IDM circuit failure, ignition module or wiring), and also check for 96 / 87 / 85 which are fuel pump or EGR related.


– Watch the Check Engine Light when the tach needle jumps.
If the CEL flickers at the same time as the tach, that’s a strong sign of a PIP or TFI (ignition module) issue.


– Inspect the TFI module (ignition control module).
On a 1993 Mustang GT/Cobra, it’s mounted on the distributor. Heat or age-related failure is very common and can cause tach spikes or misfires. Check the connector for corrosion or loose pins. If it’s the original TFI, replacement is often the fix.


– Check the PIP sensor (inside the distributor).
The PIP provides the timing signal for both the tach and the computer. A failing PIP can cause erratic tach readings, stumbles, or intermittent stalls. Testing it properly requires a scope, but if the distributor is original and has 30+ years on it, the PIP is a likely suspect. Many owners just replace the whole distributor.


– Verify grounds and connections.
The tach signal comes off the TFI module’s IDM circuit (tan/yellow wire). Weak grounds, especially the small black/orange ground wire at the back of the driver’s side cylinder head, can cause erratic signals. Clean the salt-and-pepper connectors, the TFI connector, and check wiring to the ignition coil.


– Check the ignition coil.
A weak or intermittent coil can cause small misfires (slight power loss) and tach blips. Measure primary resistance (0.3–1.0 ohms) and secondary resistance (8K–11K ohms). Replace if out of spec.


– Do a fuel delivery check.
Even though ignition issues are more likely, low fuel pressure can also mimic a surge or stumble. At the fuel rail, you should see about 39 psi with the vacuum line off the regulator, and about 30 psi with it connected.


– Road test while monitoring.
If you have a scanner or logger, watch PIP/IDM signals during the tach jumps. Without that, you can try a wiggle test on the distributor and TFI harness to see if the issue shows up.


Most likely culprits in order: TFI module, PIP sensor in the distributor, ignition coil, wiring/grounds, and lastly fuel delivery. Dumping the codes is the first step because it may point you straight to the problem.
 
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I just tried another tfi module with no luck. Any good aftermarket pip sensor on the market ? Oem are hard to find. Ecu is a megasquirt 2 so not possible to pull codes. Thks again !
 
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A couple of notes if you go with it:


Installation – You’ll need to pull the distributor apart to press the reluctor wheel off and replace the PIP. It’s fiddly, but totally doable if you’re careful and have a small press or puller.

Heat and age – Most PIP failures are heat related. When you swap in the WVE, check your TFI module too (they often fail together).

Alignment – Be careful to set the reluctor back at the exact orientation when you reassemble. Mark before teardown if possible.
 
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if you go this route the varnish that is on the distributor shaft can be removed with 0000 steel wool and brake cleaner. Make sure you get all the steel wool off as that stuff will kill a motor. There is a groove in the shaft so make sure to get that clean. Look down in the body of the distributor and get that clean as well. I bought these brushes and they worked really well with some brake cleaner.

6Pcs Tube Bottle Brush Brass... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXD36HNK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
 
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i just order the pip from Rock auto. thks for the cleaning tips, i will give it a look, I wish it will fix my problem!:)

From what i found on the web, i have to press out the cam gear and push out the shaft from the top.
 
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Well....I installe the WVE pip sensor and now i have to fire, no rpm signal to the megasquirt. So no start. i have try another working tfi module with no succes. Look like the new pip is defective...

Is it possible that dirt on the pip can cause the jumpy tach needle ?
 
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I have a problem with my 93 5.0 fox body. The car run great but have a little lost in power. I also notice that sometime, the tach needle makes small abrupt jumps (100 rpm or so) at idle and also on part thottle when cruising. The engine run smooth and good. Can this be a PIP sensor problem ? I already have replace, plugs, cap,rotor and wires, Stock oem distributor.

Thank for the help !
TFI screw remover tool https://lmr.com/item/LRS-TX646/Tfi-Module-Tool

check your current TFI Module, by buying this off Ebay https://www.ebay.ca/itm/26737177741...pid=5335821607&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1 and don't for get to buy a 9 Volt Battery.

Buy a new TFI module from Rockauto.

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you can relocate your new TFI module with this https://www.mccullyracingmotors.com/ best one out there.


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