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Does More $$$ Really Get A Better Throttle Body?

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David Pepiton

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I've got a cheap 65mm tb have no idea what brand it is but it whistles like crazy around 2-2.5k but I payed $35 for it so cant complain. throttle response is much improved and idle is smoother then my stocker was
 

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VibrantRedGT said:
The Edelbrock one is made by BBK. Accufab makes a nice polished piece which is why they fetch that kind of money. I ran a BBK 70MM on my car for like 17+ years now.
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That and they're made from a hunk of billet aluminum and not cast like most of the others.
 

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BBK is made in the States, and their stuff in general is not poor quality, more like poorly engineered.
 
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Would juts like to add I got a used 70mm accufab on Corral for 175, looked brand new, and was really happy with it. The throttle feels a lot better than stock. I've seen them on there for cheaper than that too. Buying a t/b used is something i wouldnt be too afraid to do, nothing too complicated in the part.
 

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Would juts like to add I got a used 70mm accufab on Corral for 175, looked brand new, and was really happy with it. The throttle feels a lot better than stock. I've seen them on there for cheaper than that too. Buying a t/b used is something i wouldnt be too afraid to do, nothing too complicated in the part.
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I would agree with this. 70- 75 mm TBs pop up for sale all the time, and it's not something that really "wears out".
 

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I had a 90mm Accufab t-body on my Saleen for a while (sold it to Hoopty) and it worked great. I have a 70mm Accufab t-body on the 01' V-6 stang and it also works great. I have no problem paying a higher price for a quality item.
 

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Bullitt347 said:
I had a 90mm Accufab t-body on my Saleen for a while (sold it to Hoopty) and it worked great. I have a 70mm Accufab t-body on the 01' V-6 stang and it also works great. I have no problem paying a higher price for a quality item.
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A 90? Really? What on earth, for?
 

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A 90? Really? What on earth, for?
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For better airflow silly ......lets see, 331 cid, 2.1L Kenne Bell, 12 psi, do I need to go on?
 

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A 90? Really? What on earth, for?
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I've been itching to put a 90 on my car, just out of curiosity to see how it'll work on an NA 302 (plus I'll eventually grow into it with a stroker and/or boost).

Ever since Ford put a 80mm TB on the Coyote it's driven my interest in running bigger TBs on small motors.
 

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For better airflow silly ......lets see, 331 cid, 2.1L Kenne Bell, 12 psi, do I need to go on?
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Nice... I've been running an 80mm on mine. Didn't know you had that KB. Now you need a bigger a KB. lol
 

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I am still rocking my 70mm Mac. PERFECT tb.
 

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I have a 70mm edelbrock. has BBK stamped all over it. I cannot stand the set screw. It is forever coming loose.
 

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Noobz347 said:
Nice... I've been running an 80mm on mine. Didn't know you had that KB. Now you need a bigger a KB. lol
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A complete rebuild is in the works........., as in planning. This will be a late fall/winter/early spring project. My problem is deciding on exactly which parts I want to use. The new AFR 220 head is due out in August, so I am on hold as far as cyl. heads go. I also have not decided on a final cid. I am leaning toward a 363 cid, but my machinist says for the same $ I can go 370 cid. So IDK, as so many parts depend on the decision of the other parts. And yes a bigger Kenne Bell is also in the works. And of course the $ involved. I think this build will cost around $20K plus so I have to come to terms with spending the $. I have the money, it is just hard to spend it at times.
 

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A complete rebuild is in the works........., as in planning. This will be a late fall/winter/early spring project. My problem is deciding on exactly which parts I want to use. The new AFR 220 head is due out in August, so I am on hold as far as cyl. heads go. I also have not decided on a final cid. I am leaning toward a 363 cid, but my machinist says for the same $ I can go 370 cid. So IDK, as so many parts depend on the decision of the other parts. And yes a bigger Kenne Bell is also in the works. And of course the $ involved. I think this build will cost around $20K plus so I have to come to terms with spending the $. I have the money, it is just hard to spend it at times.
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Until they pull their heads out and come up with an intercooler, I'm done with KB. My next power adder will likely come from Hellion.
 

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Until they pull their heads out and come up with an intercooler, I'm done with KB. My next power adder will likely come from Hellion.
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Problem with that statement is you asking Kenne Bell to market something new for something old. Most Fox body Mustangs are 25 years old or nearly so. Everything Kenne Bell does now for the newer cars do have an intercooler. The fact is the market is in the new/newer vehicles, let alone the Mod engines lend themselves to being intercooler much much easier. Unfortunately the 5.0 pushrod engine is a dying market, in the sense of a market that would be profitable in this area.
 

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Problem with that statement is you asking Kenne Bell to market something new for something old. Most Fox body Mustangs are 25 years old or nearly so. Everything Kenne Bell does now for the newer cars do have an intercooler. The fact is the market is in the new/newer vehicles, let alone the Mod engines lend themselves to being intercooler much much easier. Unfortunately the 5.0 pushrod engine is a dying market, in the sense of a market that would be profitable in this area.
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While I partially agree, you still see many companies producing new parts for the 5.0L OHV engines every month. I mean....just in the last 5-10-years alone, how many aftermarket head and intake manifold casting have there been released for the OHV engines? And there hasn't been a 5.0L turned off the Ford assembly line in 12-years. 17-years if you want to consider Mustang only production.

Kenne Bell should have jumped on the aftercooled PD supercharger bandwagon back in the late-90's when Saleen started first making them popular, or again when the got another push when Kenne Bell started marketing their own intercooled kits for the OHC cars.

We already know retrofitting the kits with an A/A set up with minor manifold modification isn't that difficult, and really wouldn't involve much R&D and change of their original manifold design on KB's part.
I think Kenne Bell has made the decision not to offer an aftercooled version of their kit simply based mainly on sales alone....which quite frankly is silly IMO. Their screw kits for the OHV's really don't sell well in comparison to the competition, this it true, but I'll bet this is mostly due to the exact flaw in the design, people have been campaigning for years for them to address.

One think I've observed with Kenne Bell over years.....and that that they have zero interest in customer input.
 

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I've been itching to put a 90 on my car, just out of curiosity to see how it'll work on an NA 302 (plus I'll eventually grow into it with a stroker and/or boost).

Ever since Ford put a 80mm TB on the Coyote it's driven my interest in running bigger TBs on small motors.
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Do it, they are using 90mm tb's on LS motors in pickup trucks. People's general thinking is that if you put a too big of a throttle body on an engine its going to somehow lose torque down low. That theory has pretty much been disproved to me. I read about small blocks in the 400-430ci range using a tunnel ram and twin accufab 4500 flange throttle bodies that flow a combined CFM of over 4200. The motor i am thinking of as an example is Jeff McConnels SBC malibu. It is probably making 800-850 on pump gas and has eight 2 1/4" throttle blades sitting on top of the intake. It would seem like overkill, but its really not. An engine is going to use however much air that it can inhale, if you have a throttle body that is too small you are creating a restriction but i do not think that there is such a thing as too big of a throttle body, the motor will pull all the air it needs, but it will never pull too much air.
 

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I have an Edelbrock 70mm and it whistles.

Professional Products it is!
 

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Problem with that statement is you asking Kenne Bell to market something new for something old. Most Fox body Mustangs are 25 years old or nearly so. Everything Kenne Bell does now for the newer cars do have an intercooler. The fact is the market is in the new/newer vehicles, let alone the Mod engines lend themselves to being intercooler much much easier. Unfortunately the 5.0 pushrod engine is a dying market, in the sense of a market that would be profitable in this area.
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They'll do it if they want to continue selling units for push-rod. All the other power adders are getting too damned good for the KB to be consideration anymore.

Come up with a aftercooler... well... continue to sell to pushrod customers of which there are... how many?
 

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I've had a Summit Racing 75mm TB for five years and it's been working great. No problems at all and it looks high quality too.
 
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