Don't sell your Fox

Road feel.....you mean like jumping around on anything other than a perfectly flat surface, feeling every crack/rut/pebble on the road and the copius amounts body flex/noise that goes along with it?

Actually, the new car makes a heck of a lot more noise on small uneven pavement than the fox. Sounds like an old Chrysler Minivin. I replaced the strut mounts and tightened up the sway bars endloinks and it still feels like it's going to fall apart when you go over manhole covers or pavement joints.

"Tossable" in the corners all depends on your perspective. Taking a fox into a corner at high speeds with the amount of oversteer they display always makes you feel as though it's going to be your last, because you never know it you're going to come out of it alive. But when it comes right down to it, I'd feel a lot more comfortable running through a set of twistys in an S197 than a 28-year-old chassis that was originally build for an econobox Ford Fairmont.

"Oversterr on a fox? only if your pounding the throttle early. My experience is they tend toward understeer"


You're crazy....stock for stock, the 3V sound is sex to the ears!!! WAAAAY nicer in stock trim than any of the previous 5.0L OHV or 2-valve OHC engines. Sure a Fox with an aftermarket exhaust system can sound pretty mean.....but they make plenty of mean sounding systems for the '05's too. It's a personal taste my friend, but the general consensus among the masses is that the 3V in stock trim is the nicer sounding set up. ;)

Opinion only. I like the sound of a 5.0 with long tubes more. But some folks like the sound of the new ones.


That's funny....I bet the guys running around in the early-60's to early-70's Mustangs were saying the same thing when the II's and Fox Bodies hit the streets.




Nope...you were right the first time. From a practicality standpoint, it doesn't make sense to keep sinking money into an 18-year-old car. Driving newer is always the better decision from a financial standpoint after that many years. That being said, if "practicality" was the issue, owning a Mustang period wouldn't be a smart idea. We should all be running around in Ford Focus's if that was the case.

Actually, I was wrong the first time. I used to have no payments and spent money on fixing things that went wrong with the car.every few years. Now I owe 20 large and spend more money fixing things that go wrong with the new car weekly/monthly. At 11,000 miles, it just blew a head gasket ( this car has NEVER seen redline) Warranty will cover the repair, but it won't cover the towing costs. The Brakes squeal like a banshee, but Ford says this is normal, so they won't fix it, and the ever popular front end clunk is STILL there. In the 2 months I've owned it, I haven't put 600 miles on it because it hasn't been out of the shop long enough. I have however, put another 1200 trouble free miles on the fox.

It is officially up for sale, as it has taken every last bit of enjoyment out of owning a mustang. I will eat the money I sunk in to springs, struts and camber plates in an effort to get rid of the clunk and just be happy to finally be rid of two and a half months of frustration.
 
Sounds like you ended up with a lemon. Sorry to hear that, but it does happen. My old Fox was really starting to nickel and dime me to death before I sold it too.

That being said, I hope you won't be offended if I choose to take the opinion of the thousands upon thousands of satisfied (dare I say happy) late model S197 Mustang owners over yours when they state that this is the best model Mustang built to date? :shrug:

Oh.....and as you can probably see I edited your post a little. If you want to advertise you car, please do it in the Classifieds Forum. Thanks. :)
 
Ive owned four fox mustangs and now my 2 capri's. Out of all the vehicles I have ever driven in my life (Use to drive 05 and up mustangs for a living) fox body cars are the funnest and most reliable vehicle Ive ever driven. I like the 05 but I love foxe's you feel right at home as soon as your behind the wheel. Plus the mods are endless and fairly cheap.
 
I found this same thing out when we rented one for a week in Hawaii last year. It wasn't the power issue, since the rental was a V6, but definitely a "feel" thing. I didn't like the way it handled, the way it rode, the "drive by wire" throttle control or the ridiculously cheap looking/feeling interior. It lacked the "soul" of both my Fox and my wife's Cobra. It just didn't feel like a Mustang.

What year Cobra????? as i may look at a 98 convertible cobra 70k original :D
 
Keep in mind that the "thousands upon thousands of satisfied customers" (i.e. general public) buy NEW cars primarily for: A) Comfort and convienience B) To be in style or C) All of the above. The fox is an ENTHUSIAST'S car plain and simple.

Exactly. Most people who buy the new Mustangs aren't car enthusiasts....most of them probably don't even know where to find the oil drain plug and are more worried about how soft the seats are and how cold the A/C is.

Most people who buy older Mustangs are enthusiasts who do their own work and drive the cars for the pure enjoyment of driving.

Whose opinion would you trust?

I'm not saying the S197s are bad cars - I think they look great, but far too many soccer moms are driving them.

Besides, if I ever buy a new car it will be something with much higher build quality than a Ford. I've driven 20 year old BMWs and Mercedes that feel more solid than a new American car.....and that makes me damn sad.:nonono:
 
assuming everyone has the title to their fox and no loans, why would you get rid of it anyway. I own 3 other cars and my fox is a weekend warrior. Just keep them with you and buy another mustang but dont sell the fox cause you will lose money and regret it down the road.
 
assuming everyone has the title to their fox and no loans, why would you get rid of it anyway. I own 3 other cars and my fox is a weekend warrior. Just keep them with you and buy another mustang but dont sell the fox cause you will lose money and regret it down the road.

+1 my thoughts exactly...except the part about owning 3 other cars:eek: Carmen you need to tell me your secret bro....haha......drive the foxes and enjoy them, that's what they are all about:nice:
 
Sounds like you ended up with a lemon. Sorry to hear that, but it does happen. My old Fox was really starting to nickel and dime me to death before I sold it too.

That being said, I hope you won't be offended if I choose to take the opinion of the thousands upon thousands of satisfied (dare I say happy) late model S197 Mustang owners over yours when they state that this is the best model Mustang built to date? :shrug:

Honestly.. my fox is doing the same thing,, nickle and diming me.. Its unrelaible, im ALWAYS fixing it, I can't really enjoy it cause little things keep happening and i dont want to break down.. Im always between selling it latley cause i have issues that i fix, then new issues arise.. Im ready to move on i think. Ive been with foxes for 8 years, i think i want sn-95 or s197... ive always loved the 05's

Keep in mind that the "thousands upon thousands of satisfied customers" (i.e. general public) buy NEW cars primarily for: A) Comfort and convienience B) To be in style or C) All of the above. The fox is an ENTHUSIAST'S car plain and simple.

I also don't see how buying a new car would be smarter than driving an older car either. The S197 will only depreciate while the Fox goes up in value.

Personally, I believe that the fox was the best thing since the 60s and early 70's stangs. The Sn197 looks like a pig plain and simple (much like the sn95). If you look at a fox and s197 side by side you can really see that is leaner and meaner looking than the s197.

i dont think they are pigs.. and sure right now fox's are going up in value.. who's to say that the s197's won't when they are like 15+ years old?
 
Better put my flame suit on for this one.....

Keep in mind that the "thousands upon thousands of satisfied customers" (i.e. general public) buy NEW cars primarily for: A) Comfort and convienience B) To be in style or C) All of the above. The fox is an ENTHUSIAST'S car plain and simple.
I agree with all of the above except the fox being an ENTHUSIAST'S car. Mustangs in general are ENTHUSIAST'S cars. Lets face it, there are several better made, comparably priced cars out there that would be a more logical and practical choice as a daily driver. You’re really got to be a Mustang ENTHUSIAST, loyalist and/or a loyal blue oval lover to own one. Where the Fox is concerned, its all about what people are able to overlook and live with on a daily basis. Let’s face it, the Fox was nothing special at all. It was cheaply built, with low tech components, handled, rode and stopped like trash.....but it had a capable power plant, was “backyard mechanic” friendly, possessed good looks (for it’s time) and came with a low price tag compared to the other fast cars that were available during the era. Lets also keep in mind, that your options for a quick, reliable, rear wheel drive V8 powered car during the 80’s and early 90’s were really limited. The Fox seemed like the logical choice when your only other alternatives to a fast, cool looking ride wore either a bow tie, or were Japanese based and stickered for thousands more. :shrug:

Such is not the case now a day’s. Hell, everything from the boy wonder imports to your mom’s grocery getter SUV seems to have over 200hp today. You need more than just decent strait line acceleration to keep up with the Jones’s. Don’t be hatin’ just because your beloved Fox’s weren’t able to cut the Mustard any longer and were replaced. Things just have to evolve to keep up with the time, that’s just the way it is. Some of you guys talk as though the Fox Mustang could even hold a candle to the newer S197 in any head to head comparison. If that’s the case, aside from looks (since they’re subjective to personal taste anyways).....name one! :scratch: Don’t confuse refining the package with going soft. I find it funny that people have complained about the Fox Mustangs rough edges and unrefined persona since it rolled off the assembly line in the early 80’s. Now that all of those complaints and concerns have been address with the new model, they want to complain some more because it’s no longer the same car. Well, what’s that tell ya? :shrug: The reason you see “soccer moms” running around in them now, is not because they’re a lesser car, it’s because they’re a better car. That now appeals to everyone who can afford one, just as the original did. Lets face it, you had to be a certain kind of person to enjoy driving the fox. A little ego, mixed in with some blind faith along with a touch of ignorance and a hint of personal bias along with a heaping spoon full of pride was what was needed to enjoy her on a daily basis. :D

If you look past that salt shaker of ingredients noted above, even personal short sightedness has to tell you than evolution was enevidable and everything about the old horse had to be changed in order to keep up with today’s standards? I mean, if it was such a superior car in every way, why aren’t they still being made today? Of course Fox lovers are going to disagree and stick up for their ride. Not doing so would be blasphemous and basically admitting that their old tried and true pony of yesteryear is a lesser car today. But the sooner that these guys are able to come to terms with that, the sooner they’ll be able to appreciate the past Mustangs for what they were and the new cars for what they are!

Heck, I did, I was right there along with you guys years ago and loved my old Fox while I had it. But the sad truth was that age, practicality and lack of technological advancement and refinement caught up with the old girl. Sure, I could have bolted on a slew of aftermarket parts to breath some new life into her, but the end result was still the same. And I was only prolonging the inevitable. I was sad to see her go and she’ll always have a special place in my heart, but I’m in no way going to attempt to fool myself into thinking this was and will ever be the best Mustang ever made. Having test drove a new S197 I can absolutely say without a doubt that “THIS IS THE BEST MUSTANG EVER MADE!!!” Some may not like the styling, some may not like the added weight, but to ignore the rest of its accomplishments because of personal bias is foolish. I immediately sat behind the wheel of the new car with my own personal reservations thinking to myself. “Ya know, not matter what, this thing still isn’t my old Fox.”, but after driving it around a little and putting it through it’s paces and letting the car grown on me, I look back now and say “yep….this thing certainly isn’t my old fox!” :nice:

The S197 will only depreciate while the Fox goes up in value.
Keep telling yourself that. ;) This statement only holds true in the eyes of Fox owners that love their car and refuse to recognize its short comings. The only people who seem to pay the outrageous prices some of these fox owners are asking for their 15 and 20-year-old, high mileage, beat to rat **** cars (that usually consist of nothing more than a shiny new paint job, an aftermarket CAI a set of under drive pulleys and some low profile wheels and tires) are other fox lovers. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this car is going to be held to some higher standard just because there are a few die hards out there who can't see past the glory days of the RWD V8 Muscle of 80's and 90's. This was after all the highest produced model ever made and them becoming a rarity or some sort of coveted collectors model is slim to none. To the rest of the world, it’s just another used car worth marginally over black book at best. This statement holds true for any year or model mustang....save for the original classics or low production specialty cars. :nice:
 
I can relate to this also. I went form my moded sn 95 (95 gt) to be exact to my 93 ssp coupe. It was like going from a caddy (95 gt) to a mustang period! Altho my 95 was a sweet ass looking and riding ride i still favor the foxes!!!! I dont know if i was offered $50,000 for the 93 i'd sell















































yeah right :rlaugh: peace




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Better put my flame suit on for this one.....


I agree with all of the above except the fox being an ENTHUSIAST'S car. Mustangs in general are ENTHUSIAST'S cars. Lets face it, there are several better made, comparably priced cars out there that would be a more logical and practical choice as a daily driver. You’re really got to be a Mustang ENTHUSIAST, loyalist and/or a loyal blue oval lover to own one. Where the Fox is concerned, its all about what people are able to overlook and live with on a daily basis. Let’s face it, the Fox was nothing special at all. It was cheaply built, with low tech components, handled, rode and stopped like trash.....but it had a capable power plant, was “backyard mechanic” friendly, possessed good looks (for it’s time) and came with a low price tag compared to the other fast cars that were available during the era. Lets also keep in mind, that your options for a quick, reliable, rear wheel drive V8 powered car during the 80’s and early 90’s were really limited. The Fox seemed like the logical choice when your only other alternatives to a fast, cool looking ride wore either a bow tie, or were Japanese based and stickered for thousands more. :shrug:

Such is not the case now a day’s. Hell, everything from the boy wonder imports to your mom’s grocery getter SUV seems to have over 200hp today. You need more than just decent strait line acceleration to keep up with the Jones’s. Don’t be hatin’ just because your beloved Fox’s weren’t able to cut the Mustard any longer and were replaced. Things just have to evolve to keep up with the time, that’s just the way it is. Some of you guys talk as though the Fox Mustang could even hold a candle to the newer S197 in any head to head comparison. If that’s the case, aside from looks (since they’re subjective to personal taste anyways).....name one! :scratch: Don’t confuse refining the package with going soft. I find it funny that people have complained about the Fox Mustangs rough edges and unrefined persona since it rolled off the assembly line in the early 80’s. Now that all of those complaints and concerns have been address with the new model, they want to complain some more because it’s no longer the same car. Well, what’s that tell ya? :shrug: The reason you see “soccer moms” running around in them now, is not because they’re a lesser car, it’s because they’re a better car. That now appeals to everyone who can afford one, just as the original did. Lets face it, you had to be a certain kind of person to enjoy driving the fox. A little ego, mixed in with some blind faith along with a touch of ignorance and a hint of personal bias along with a heaping spoon full of pride was what was needed to enjoy her on a daily basis. :D

If you look past that salt shaker of ingredients noted above, even personal short sightedness has to tell you than evolution was enevidable and everything about the old horse had to be changed in order to keep up with today’s standards? I mean, if it was such a superior car in every way, why aren’t they still being made today? Of course Fox lovers are going to disagree and stick up for their ride. Not doing so would be blasphemous and basically admitting that their old tried and true pony of yesteryear is a lesser car today. But the sooner that these guys are able to come to terms with that, the sooner they’ll be able to appreciate the past Mustangs for what they were and the new cars for what they are!

Heck, I did, I was right there along with you guys years ago and loved my old Fox while I had it. But the sad truth was that age, practicality and lack of technological advancement and refinement caught up with the old girl. Sure, I could have bolted on a slew of aftermarket parts to breath some new life into her, but the end result was still the same. And I was only prolonging the inevitable. I was sad to see her go and she’ll always have a special place in my heart, but I’m in no way going to attempt to fool myself into thinking this was and will ever be the best Mustang ever made. Having test drove a new S197 I can absolutely say without a doubt that “THIS IS THE BEST MUSTANG EVER MADE!!!” Some may not like the styling, some may not like the added weight, but to ignore the rest of its accomplishments because of personal bias is foolish. I immediately sat behind the wheel of the new car with my own personal reservations thinking to myself. “Ya know, not matter what, this thing still isn’t my old Fox.”, but after driving it around a little and putting it through it’s paces and letting the car grown on me, I look back now and say “yep….this thing certainly isn’t my old fox!” :nice:


Keep telling yourself that. ;) This statement only holds true in the eyes of Fox owners that love their car and refuse to recognize its short comings. The only people who seem to pay the outrageous prices some of these fox owners are asking for their 15 and 20-year-old, high mileage, beat to rat **** cars (that usually consist of nothing more than a shiny new paint job, an aftermarket CAI a set of under drive pulleys and some low profile wheels and tires) are other fox lovers. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this car is going to be held to some higher standard just because there are a few die hards out there who can't see past the glory days of the RWD V8 Muscle of 80's and 90's. This was after all the highest produced model ever made and them becoming a rarity or some sort of coveted collectors model is slim to none. To the rest of the world, it’s just another used car worth marginally over black book at best. This statement holds true for any year or model mustang....save for the original classics or low production specialty cars. :nice:

:canada: :notice: must of been such a horrible car since ford made so many foxbodies for so many years with great success!!!!!




must've took allot of typing for all that crap!!! waist of time.......
 
:notice: must of been such a horrible car since ford made so many foxbodies for so many years with great success!!!!!




must've took allot of typing for all that crap!!! waist of time.......
It's all about keeping the bean counters happy. The Fox was popular amongst the masses and inexpensive to build, so Ford kept them coming. You've also got to remember....the 80's were a low point for the North American automotive industry in general. There weren't a lot of high end, high quality cars coming out of the camps from the big three North American Auto manufactures. It wasn’t until the mid/late 90’s that the Japanese manufactures decided to light a fire under the US Automotive industry forcing them to start building higher quality vehicles again. You're taking this too hard, I'm not dissing the Fox, nor am I saying for it's time it wasn't a great car, I'm saying compared to the cars of today, it won't hold a candle.

....and what seems to have been a waste of time, was 4th grade English class for you. ;)
 
I also personally believe that Fox is one of the best looking Stangs ever made :nice: .

Oh, and i'd also like to reiterate the fact that the s197 is over 400 lbs. heavier than a Fox :nonono:

Despite all the power and technology the S197 has, IT STILL HAS NO BALLS.

THANK YOU!!!!!! i couldn't agree more...............................:nice:
 
I'll have to disagree with your "newer is better philosophy". If you look past the bells, whissles and gimmicks such as the cheesy retro interior of the s197 you can see that the S197 is cheaply built. It seems like whenever Ford redesigns the Stang they try to make it look "cooler" but at the same time the quality goes down the toilet. This was the case with the "cardboard" construction of sn95 and the s197. I'll be willing to bet that there are more plastic components in one s197 than there are in 3 foxes.

The same case goes for engines. Newer and complicated engines are not necessarily superior to older push rod motors (ricers will argue otherwise) if anything they are inferior in terms of raw performance (efficiency is a different story). From my observations over the years, NOTHING is more potent (not to mention more cost effective) in terms of performance than a push rod V8. Keep in mind also that more complicated designs are regarded as inferior in the Engineering world.


I'll also stick with my statement that the fox was an enthusiast's car as true enthusiast's factor primarily PERFORMANCE and performance potential when choosing a car (which is what the fox is). You even said yourself that you have to be a true enthusiast to own one.

This is GENERALLY not the same case with s197 where the majority of people I see driving them are either chicks or middle-aged guys who don't know **** about cars. However, you can't really be surprised with that seeing as how it wasn't Ford's intention to market the car to true gearheads. What you also don't understand is that the harsh characteristics of the Fox as well as the Muscle Cars of the 60's and early 70's are exactly what make it appealing to the guys (and gals) in this forum. I also personally believe that Fox is one of the best looking Stangs ever made :nice: .

Oh, and i'd also like to reiterate the fact that the s197 is over 400 lbs. heavier than a Fox :nonono: . You can argue with the laws of physics all you want but nothing is going to compansate (not even technology) for that extra weight in terms of straight line performance and handling. My Vette is 22 years old and it can out handle a brand new S197 :hail2: .

So in conclusion if I can sum up this post into one sentence it would be:

Despite all the power and technology the S197 has, IT STILL HAS NO BALLS.
You make some good points, but I'm curious. Have a lot of the S197 haters out there actually had the chance to really go over then newer Mustangs, or are we just passing judgment based on a personal distaste for the newer body work?

To address the gimmicky “bells and whistles” you refer to on the newer car. The retro thing is certainly a take it or leave it opinion, but regardless it’s still tastefully done and to much higher standards than any Fox, or SN95 as far as quality control is concerned. I have to say for the record that you’re dead wrong and can’t have ever truly compared the interiors of the two cars if you think the Fox’s is the better of the two. Everything about the new interior is light years ahead of the old one. No more awkward shifting position, misshaped/ill fitting/rattling/squeaking interior panels, poorly placed accessory switches, instantly breakable ash tray doors and total lack of cup holders. Whether it’s the 100-times better seating (both for bolstering and comfort), additional interior room and driver visibility, or the ergonomic positioning and over all feel.....the new car is light years ahead of the old. I was sitting in both a late-80’s Fox and an S197 as recently as yesterday just to see if I really wanted one and let me tell you, there is no comparison. Nothing is more cheaply put together, with more misshaped plastic than the interior of an ’87-’93 Fox body. While I’m sure it was cutting edge for its time, there’s certainly no shortage of cheap parts and shoddy workmanship put into the interior styling of the car. The bean counters were certainly working in full force the day they threw the interior together on these cars.

Before you Fox guys get all up in arms.....don’t take it personally. When I had my Fox, I thought it rocked and was the greatest thing on earth. I was also in my early-20’s at the time and this was my first sports car. I thought it was the best thing ever built, but then I grew up, the cars got better and my love for its raw edge attitude and low dollar grunt gave way to more refined styling and not having to continuously repair worn out parts and scavenge junk yards in order to do so.

As far as the engines go.....newer, certainly.....Complicated, I guess if you’ve never worked on an OHC set up before, you’d think that. But consider the 302 has been around for 40-years now and in fuel injected high output form for 22 of those. I’m sure the guys running the old flat-head V8’s hated and feared the though of an OHV engine just as much as you guys do. But it’s only taken the OHC engine a little over 10-years to go from humble grocery getter, to all out performer. The OHC engines respond just the same to bolt on parts as the OHV engines do. Only the days of tuning with jets and wrenches have taken a back seat to hand held tuners and computer chips. If anything, tuning an engine has gotten easier since the introduction of the OBDII compliant cars, not harder! As far as raw performance is concerned. I’m not sure how you can compare the two. The newer OHC 281cid will run circles around any stock OHV engine boasting the same volume. Only when additional displacement is added does it seem that the OHV engines are able to pull ahead. At which point they do so at the expense of what you stated, efficiency. Whether it be in the form of longevity, fuel economy or emmisions. Something always has to give in order to match up. As for them being an inferior engine because on their “more complicated design”.....well, I have a one word rebuttal with regards to the 302 as far as that statement is concerned…“OBSOLETE”! Despite my personal feelings on the subject, I’m not gonna sit here and debate engines with you. Based on dozens upon dozens of past threads here on the board. That argument turns out to be fruitless for both parties. I will however state that things like multi-valve cylinder heads, multi-cam OHC engines and variable valve timing is the present and for the time being, the future, so you’d best be getting used to it. :)

I may have been a little ahead of my self as far as the Fox enthusiast not being a separate entity from a general Mustang enthusiast. Since judging by some of the responses here, there are several of you that are quite “enthusiastic” in you convictions. But I will correct you for misquoting me. I stated you had to be a true “enthusiast” to own a Mustang in general.....not a fox. ;)

Perhaps the S197’s velvet package does make is seem more tame by comparison. It does after all knock off a lot of the rough edges and negative traits that made the Fox chassis so recognizable. But don’t confuse refinement for weakness. Its new attitude may make it seem softer and more plush, but the clocks don’t lie. The S197 is still the far better performer of the two. You next statement about it’s additional weight proves it. How else could a car boasting larger body work and a heavier over all package continue to best a smaller, more nimble car in all categories? Check it out for yourself.....handling, braking, acceleration! The heavier, bulkier S197 wins them all. Hell, although it may not have had the power, my 400lb heavier ’96 Cougar would negotiate an on ramp better than my buddies Fox could and would match its handle and best it’s braking as well. And that was all before I did any work to it. :D So it seems that the laws of physics can be broken after all. You just have to put a little thought and engineering into the vehicle in order to do it. And unfortunately for the Fox chassis, nine of its lives were used up. :p

Seriously though, I get what you guys are saying. The ’05-up stangs don’t feel as “muscley” as the Fox. But that still doesn’t mean it isn’t the better car. I mean…the guys that used to run around in their late-60’s/early-70’s muscle probably had the same thing to say about the Fox’s when they came out, but we all know on any given day a 5.0L Fox would put 90% of those old Muscle cars on the trailer during a head to head comparison. That’s nothing more than an earlier example of evolution at it’s finest. :)




Oh…and as far as your C4 is concerned, I’d have to see some specifics before I’d go giving the checkered flag to your Corvette just yet. Just because you your (presumably stock) 22-year-old Corvette sits a little lower and weighs a little less, and was able to negotiate a skid pad 20-years ago in some magazine, doesn’t mean that in the real world, it’s going go out and chew an ’05 Mustang. Even if by some miracle it is able to handle a turn a little better once entered, you’ve still got going into, coming out of and blasting down that strait away afterwards to contend with. The higher engine output, better braking and alternative chassis and suspension of the S197 might just be the all mighty equalizer on this one. After all, curb weight can be overcome with some competent engineering and well chosen design cues.....just refer to the comparison above between the Fox and the S197. ;)

Your Vette was some piece of equipment back in the mid-80’s, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Unless you’ve got some hard numbers or some other type of proof to back up your statement, I’m going to say you’re claim is based on speculation at best.
 
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I also personally believe that Fox is one of the best looking Stangs ever made .

Oh, and i'd also like to reiterate the fact that the s197 is over 400 lbs. heavier than a Fox

Despite all the power and technology the S197 has, IT STILL HAS NO BALLS.
THANK YOU!!!!!! i couldn't agree more...............................

omg!! you guys must have no taste for nice riding, fast mustangs? the s197 faster than alot of bolt on foxes, and you get about 35hp to the tires with just a cai and a tune. yeah the fox is the ultimate, stripped down, lightweight, 90's musclecar, but times have changed. 2 of mine will be sold this year and I honestly cannot wait to get a newer 4.6!!
 
lol the Fox will always be king :D

Im still waiting for the sn-95's and s197 to get realy old. They will be just like the fox and people will say this car was hacked together cuz there will always be a newer better car out there. Kinda like the same thing with a 60s stang when an owner sold his 60's stang for a new at the time 1980 whatever fox. I bet he was like this car is fast or this car handles great. Now in this day I bet sombody is saying this 05 is fast and handles great compared to the fox or even an sn-95. I guess evolution plays a big part in it and will continue to do so if the mustang is around in the next 20 years. :rolleyes:

But I will never sell my fox, love the weight and the potential it has, thats why i said it will always be king :D