Gutted 94.... any ideas?

[stevinwayne]

Is there anyone in here that has gutted a 94 gt before?

my goal is to hit a 6.50 (1/8) with a 347 on a 150-175 shot...

car will have hogged out vic jr. custom cam and a c4 347 10.5-11:1 compression and full suspension

i've seen it done all day long in 331s and 347s in coupes but never in a sn95

plans for gutting it

removing sound deadening putting lightweight carpet back in, removed all seats replace with 2 kirkey aluminum ones... remove console, remove all the stuff in the dash, no powerstearing, no a/c or heat, cutting supporting braces in trunk, fiberglass hood, removing spoiler, bumper supports, tubular k-member and a arms...


anyone have any idea how much that would weigh? or any other ideas?

 

[mytight95]

a local guy has done it, i was pissed at him though, he had a cherrry car....


hope you are starting with something not so nice.....94's don't have the brace behind the seat like the foxes...




jason

 

[FORCED2DV8]

remove door panels, window glass, replace with plexi glass, all interior plastic pieces, fiberglass fenders, hood, no carpet, just paint it flat black, of course roll cage if your going that fast.

 

[SeventyMach1]

On the hood .... get a lift-off carbon fiber one. They're alot lighter than glass. Then paint it to match.

 

[bimmertech]

you could do all of that or you could just buy my 94 that has a 6pt cage, corbeau seats, lightweight carpet, etc... all for 3k

 

[V8SHME8]

The search feature has plenty of information on this subject, people are just really lazy these days I guess.

No smog
No heater core or anything that has to do with climate control lol
Alum heads
All front assemblies deleted except for crank and alt
Manual rack
Aluminum front and rear bummpers
Aluminum flywheel
No fog lights
No spare tire or any of that junk
Weld draglite w/ skinnies
Lexani back window
lightweight bucket seats
Aftermarket Kmember
Lightweight oddysey battery
No washer bottle
Spec Aluminum pressure plate
Aluminum pulleys
Aluminum bumper supports
Light weight alternator
Magnesium bellhousing
Manual brakes with ceramic two piece rotors (any two piece will be lighter)
Carbon fiber driveshaft
Titanium exhaust or thin wall stainless with dumps of course
5 gallon fuel cell
Racing steering wheel
Light weight front windshield
Ditch the windshield wipers and motor
Remove all the wiring connectors and straight soder
Aluminum body panel bolts
Remove inner fender lining
Titanium engine components
GT40 Intake
Aluminum rad
Electric fan
Hollow cam
Carbon fiber doors
Carrbon fiber trunk with prop rod (the shocks are heavy and unnecessary)
Carbon fiber roof
Carbon fiber valve covers
Carbon fiber diff cover
FYI ARP sells hollow titanium head bolts on request
O rings weigh less than gaskets
Hoosier makes a slick without steel belts
Magnesium Alternator bracket
Third link
Coilovers
Obviously you need to break out the bridge port and hit everything that is remaining in the car.

 

[stevinwayne]

i don't wanna spend the money on tons of carbon fiber pieces, i will get a lift off fiberglass hood and i probably will do some hacking here and there. the car is nice from a distance but when you get up to it you see the scratches.


the idea is to gut it and keep it from looking gutted.

 

[ProKiller]

why not just buy a v6 with front end damage for cheap and put all the stuff in that. and keep your GT as it is. thats what i would do. your taking all the stuff out of the front end anyway to put lightweight stuff. all you would need then is a 8.8 rear adn your good to go. hell, you need to do rear end work anyway to handle all the launch power/shock. why gut a perfectly good GT when you can do a wrecked v6 for less

 

[stevinwayne]

why not just buy a v6 with front end damage for cheap and put all the stuff in that. and keep your GT as it is. thats what i would do. your taking all the stuff out of the front end anyway to put lightweight stuff. all you would need then is a 8.8 rear adn your good to go. hell, you need to do rear end work anyway to handle all the launch power/shock. why gut a perfectly good GT when you can do a wrecked v6 for less

well i guess i could use the same logic as you... why buy another car when i have a perfectly good GT i could use?

i've got the suspension work done just finished welding the subframes in. motor has been pulled for the new one and tranny is in the works. honestly, why would i go buy another car to do all that stuff too? no one on this entire board has ever gutted a GT? maaaan i must be at the wrong site to go fast with a street car.

 

[ProKiller]

a lot of people have proven that you can go really fast without gutting the car. thats more my point. and if you can't go any faster withotu gutting it, then my suggestion was to make a dedicated race car for that purpose.

 

[V8SHME8]

the idea is to gut it and keep it from looking gutted.

I did not list a single thing that would make the car look gutted other than the carbon fiber trunk which is a pin on, but it saves 30 pounds. What was the point of you asking for suggestions if you are not happy with what I or others had to say? Do you think there is some magical 100 pounds hiding that you can remove? Honestly, I would remove that 40 pounds of nitrous, but then again automotive bowling does not really excite me.

 

[stevinwayne]

a lot of people have proven that you can go really fast without gutting the car. thats more my point. and if you can't go any faster withotu gutting it, then my suggestion was to make a dedicated race car for that purpose.

i've only seen one full weight 94 mustang street car go 6.50s he was making 740rwhp

dart block 347 with a blower

since i don't have the money to do it that way my only option is to make it lighter.

 

[stevinwayne]

I did not list a single thing that would make the car look gutted other than the carbon fiber trunk which is a pin on, but it saves 30 pounds. What was the point of you asking for suggestions if you are not happy with what I or others had to say? Do you think there is some magical 100 pounds hiding that you can remove? Honestly, I would remove that 40 pounds of nitrous, but then again automotive bowling does not really excite me.

obviously there is no 100 pounds hiding in the car, but you're getting a little sarcastic with the carbonfiber body panels and magnesium bellhousing.

any idea how much weight this would save me?
fiberglass hood, and trunk lid (if i can find one)
a/c and heater box removed
bumper supports removed
sound deading material removed
lighter weight carpet
remove everything not needed in the dash
air bags
racing stearing wheel
2 aluminum seats
tubular k-member and a-arms
all accessories removed (power stearing, a/c, heater)
electric waterpump
it has lighterweight internals
aluminum heads, RPMII intake
lightweight flexplate (c4 car)
I'm debating lexan windows but that takes away from the street car appearance (in my opinion)
remove all the internals in the doors or replacing with non power doors
the car is fuel injected so i do need the computer
home made gauge cluster with pro-comp gauges
8 point cage
speakers and all audio removed (saw someone do this before where they just had a faceplate but nothing else)
electric fan and aluminum radiator
no smog
emblems removed (saving those ounces)
spoiler removed
side skirts removed (maybe)
if i think of anything else i'll post it up...

if anyone has anything else that hasn't been listed or that isn't too terribly expensive
ie. more than 500 bucks let me know.

does anyone have any idea of what my car will weigh with all that

 

[mytight95]

Tommy, SILVERBULLIT on here has a 331..... spray and a faily light car with suspension, i witnessed his car go low 11's the other day with a small shot....toting the tires....


you might would want to pm him and ask what all he has done to lighten his car

Snoozer on here has lightened his car dramatically as well, you can pm him, i think his car weighs in just over 3,000 w/o driver



jason

 

[V8SHME8]

obviously there is no 100 pounds hiding in the car, but you're getting a little sarcastic with the carbonfiber body panels and magnesium bellhousing.

Tilton makes a Magnesium bellhousing that sells on ebay all the time for 350 bucks and that comes with a mini starter also which is well under the 500 dollar limit. Tiger Racing makes a cabon fiber body panel for every part on the car. You will not find better weight reduction than Alumium heads, Magnesium bellhousing, and the Carbonfiber trunk. You can easily not take my advice, but everything I listed is a real part you can buy right off the shelf. The only thing I was joking about was the hollow Titanium head bolts but that is a real part also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VERY...ewItemQQcategoryZ33732QQitemZ8010926324QQrdZ1 this is obviously a Chevy and there are no SBF ones right now but 320 bucks.

 

[V8SHME8]

Oh and if you do not want to shell out for the aluminum block, you can have your iron block lightened.

http://lsmeng.com/Block-Lightening.html

 

[TMC]

How light do you want the car? You have an ET goal and you should be able to estimate how much power you'll be able to make with the engine you are looking at. So, that just leaves the question of how light you need to be to run those numbers with the power you expect to make.

My 95 now sits at or just under 2900 lbs without driver, stock K-member, stock iron block and iron heads, stock brakes, stock hood and stock trunk. I have removed almost everything that isn't needed to get down the track though. Pretty much worthless as a real street car but a nice street/stipe weekend car. Also, the doors on my car are as delivered from the factory with the crash bars and all. If I remember I'll snap a couple shots of the inside for you.

I do think I can find another 50 lbs or so in the car before I have to spend money on some light parts...wiper motor, cruise control, a few things left in the inner fenders...

The 2002 GT I raced in 2004 had a 10-point cromoly cage, K-member and all the light stuff in it and I could get that car down to 2730 without driver. I think without the blower, a lighter hood and a stock block and the car could have been 2670 or so.

 

[slvrbullit302]

Tommy, SILVERBULLIT on here has a 331..... spray and a faily light car with suspension, i witnessed his car go low 11's the other day with a small shot....toting the tires....


you might would want to pm him and ask what all he has done to lighten his car

Snoozer on here has lightened his car dramatically as well, you can pm him, i think his car weighs in just over 3,000 w/o driver



jason

OK last year my car tipped the scales at 3280 with me in it. This was with that stock motor minus smog equipment, the interior consisted of full carpet, 01 cobra Front seats with power motors, rear seat delete, no jack or spare, 1/4 tank of gas and Weld Prostars on all four corners..

This year I hve no idea what the pig weighs but only difference is alum. heads, lighter engine internals, no A/C components under the hood.

My car has gone a 7.2 in the 1/8th on a 150 shot babying the weak trans (stock t-5).

 

[94Blue302GT]

Determine what catagory you want to race in and design the car around it. I would recommend a turbo before nos first. Also, work on a good performance suspension

 

[bimmertech]

a carb setup weighs about 25 less lbs than the fuel injected stuff. cheaper too, but you have to suffer the indignity of having a carb.