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Imatk

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I have 1991 Mustang GT and occasionally the car is difficult to pull out of first gear after sitting over night. (I leave the car in 1st when parked)

Last year I had a McLeod Clutch installed, so I'm not sure if the clutch is failing or some other issue is occurring.

I kind of hate the McLeod Clutch so if I is then I'll just replace it, but wanted to check here to see if there was anything I could do to remedy the problem without replacing the clutch.

Thanks for any help!
 

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I would try parking it in another gear and see it that makes a difference
Stock trans?
Changed trans fluid recently?
 
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karthief said:
I would try parking it in another gear and see it that makes a difference
Stock trans?
Changed trans fluid recently?
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Yeah stock transmission and fluid was changed last year when the clutch was installed.
 

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Stock shifter?
 

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Probably should ask if it does it just when you first shift to second when starting off on the morning and does ok the rest of the time?
Maybe a little nudge on the adjustment, still got the stock quadrant type adjuster?
 

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Clutch Adjustment for stock and aftermarket setups
Revised 28-Apr-2016 to include need for longer cable with single hook quadrant

Clutch adjustment
Do the clutch adjustment first before considering any other problems. With the stock plastic quadrant and cable, pull up on the clutch pedal until it comes upward toward you. It will make a ratcheting sound as the self adjuster works. To release to tension of the stock quadrant, use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet paw up and out of engagement with the quadrant teeth.

Binding clutch cable
A binding clutch cable will make the clutch very stiff. If the cable is misrouted or has gotten too close to the exhaust, it will definitely bind. The binding common to adjustable cables is often due to misplacement of the adjusting nuts on the fork end of the cable. This will also cause the cable to wear and fray. Both nuts should be on the back side of the fork so that the domed nut faces the fork and the other nut serves as jam or locknut to the domed nut.

Clutch pedal adjustment
Clutch pedal adjustment with aftermarket quadrant and cable: I like to have the clutch completely disengaged and still have about 1.5” travel left before the pedal hits the floor. This means that I have only about 1” of free play at the top before the pedal starts to disengage the clutch. Keep in mind that these figures are all approximate. When properly adjusted, there will not be any slack in the clutch cable. You will have 4-15 lbs. preload on the clutch cable. With a non adjustable cable and a firewall adjuster, the cable needs to go in the second hook of the quadrant. Single hook quadrants used with a firewall adjuster may make the clutch too tight, causing it to slip. The possible exception to this is the Maximum Motorsports cable which is a bit longer to make it work with a single hook quadrant.

Adjustable clutch cable tips:
Loosening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the rear of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the floor.

Tightening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the front of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the top of the pedal.

Firewall adjuster tips
Turning the firewall adjuster IN makes the engagement point closer to the floor since it loosens the cable. You have to push the pedal to the floor to disengage the clutch. Too loose a cable and the clutch won't completely disengage and shifting will be difficult. Gears will grind and you may have difficulty getting the transmission in first gear when stopped.

Turning the firewall adjuster OUT makes the engagement point farther from the floor since it tightens the cable. You push a short distance to disengage the clutch. Too tight a cable will cause clutch slippage.

Aftermarket solutions to the problem:
The quadrant needs to be replaced if you use any type of aftermarket cable or adjuster. My preference is a Ford Racing quadrant, adjustable cable and Steeda firewall adjuster. The adjustable Ford Racing cable is just as good as the stock OEM cable. It allows a greater range of adjustment than a stock cable with a aftermarket quadrant and firewall adjuster. Combined with the Steeda adjuster, it lets you set the initial cable preload and then fine tune the clutch engagement point to your liking without getting under the car.

Using a stock OEM cable, firewall adjuster and a single hook quadrant may result in not having any free pedal travel before the clutch starts to disengage. I found this out the hard way.

See Summit Racing - High Performance Car and Truck Parts l 800-230-3030 for the following parts.

Ford Racing M-7553-B302 - Ford Racing V-8 Mustang Adjustable Clutch Linkage Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com Cable and quadrant assembly $90

The Ford Racing Adjustable cable is available as a separate part:
Clutch Cable, Adjustable, Ford, Mercury, 5.0L, Kit

[url=http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDA-555-7021/]Steeda Autosports 555-7021 - Steeda Autosports Firewall Cable Adjusters - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Steeda firewall adjuster. $40



http://www.steeda.com/images/watermarked/1/detailed/7/ford-racing-mustang-v8-and-v6-topside-clutch-adjuster-79-04-161-m-7554-a.jpg

Fix for the quadrant end of the cable popping out of the quadrant when installing a replacement cable courtesy of Grabbin' Asphalt



Help for those who have replaced the clutch assembly and are still having problems with adjustment:
The next step doesn't make much sense it you already have the transmission installed, but just for sake of discussion, here it is:
The throwout bearing sits in the clutch fork arm with the wave springs pressing on the rear flange of the throwout bearing.

Major differences between the distance between the flywheel surface and the clutch fingers may require tinkering with the clutch fork pivot ball. Stack your old pressure plate, clutch disc and flywheel up like they were when installed in the car. Tighten down all the pressure plate bolts and measure the distance between the clutch fingertips and the flywheel face.
Too much thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far back to get the clutch cable on the quadrant. It may even sit against the rear or the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm. In that case, reduce the pivot ball height.
Too little thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far forward and bottom out against the front side of the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm.. This will prevent the clutch from fully disengaging.
In other words, the clutch fork arm should sit positioned midway or a little towards the rear in the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm when the cable is properly tensioned.


I guess that you don't understand that there is a self-adjusting mechanism for the clutch cable. As the clutch wears the cable tension changes, that is why there is a self-adjusting mechanism built into the clutch pedal. There is a toothed plastic quadrant with a ratchet pawl that engages the quadrant. As you pull up on the clutch pedal, it ratchets and takes any slack out of the clutch cable. Mess around with the pedal or even bump it while the end that fits in the clutch fork is loose, and it tries to take up the slack in the cable. That has the effect of shortening the cable.

You can use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet pawl off the quadrant teeth. That will allow you to move the quadrant to allow more slack in the cable. If the cable is too loose, pull up on the pedal. The ratchet pawl will allow the quadrant to take up the slack in the cable and lock the adjustment.

Adjustable cables are used when the plastic quadrant is replaced with an aftermarket metal quadrant. The downside to this setup is that you have to get under the car to adjust the clutch. Add a firewall adjuster to an adjustable cable setup and you can spare yourself from getting back under the car to make any fine adjustment that you desire.

The fancy 2 and 3 hook quadrants are for use with stock length cable and a firewall adjuster. Use the firewall adjuster and screw in and out to take the slack out of the cable and get the clutch engagement point just where you want it.[/url]
 
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Thanks guys I'll try the clutch adjustment.

It's a stock shifter yes and it seems to go away after driving it and not come back until the next morning.
 

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Imatk said:
Thanks guys I'll try the clutch adjustment.

It's a stock shifter yes and it seems to go away after driving it and not come back until the next morning.
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Try parking it in a different gear.
 

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Check fluid levels and clutch adjustment.

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What type of trans fluid does it have in it now?
Early model non-world class T-5's used 70 weight gear oil.
Later model world class T-5's use Dexron III.
If someone put regular 90 weight gear oil in it, it would be really hard to shift while cold, and then it would get better as it warmed up. 90 weight can be detrimental to some of the tight clearance needle bearings in a T-5.
 
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What type of trans fluid does it have in it now?
Early model non-world class T-5's used 70 weight gear oil.
Later model world class T-5's use Dexron III.
If someone put regular 90 weight gear oil in it, it would be really hard to shift while cold, and then it would get better as it warmed up. 90 weight can be detrimental to some of the tight clearance needle bearings in a T-5.
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It has the stock transmission. The car is completely stock, and would have had a stock clutch if they still made them.

I don't know what type of fluid was used, they changed it when they changed the clutch.

But the odd thing is as soon as I pull it out of gear it's fine. In other words, it doesn't really "warm" up. I can manage to pull hard and get it out of gear and then it shifts in and out normally.

I tried adjusting it with the clutch pedal. It's the stock quadrant as far as I can tell... plastic and doesn't look new. The cable itself I'm not sure about, but again it doesn't look particularly new.

I had to pull pretty hard on the pedal and then I heard the adjuster "ratchet" sound. So did that adjust it or is there something else I need to do?

Here is a picture of the cable:
 

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I don't think this is clutch or fluid related. I think it's mechanical internally to the t5. When parking in 1st, the shift fork is perhaps jamming somehow.

I'd try parking in reverse for now to avoid it.
 
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Ok this is still occurring and I've now tested it in other gears besides 1st and it still happens.

Once the shifter is basically "yanked" out of the gear everything works perfectly.

I can only imagine it must have something to do with the clutch since I seriously doubt multiple gears in the transmission would go at the same time.

I'm wondering if it's the throwout bearing maybe getting hung or something.

The fluid has been changed, really only to confirm what was already in there which was the Dexron stuff so not fluid related, not cable related.

Anyone?
 

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Try pop'n the shifter out, it is stock right? Can't hurt to look.
 
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Yeah everything is stock, do you think it's the shifter?
 

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Just try'n to check off a list of things that may be suspect before you have to pop the trans out, which is likely whats gonna happen.
 
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May or not be related.. an old man told my older brother who told me.. shift to first then reverse. Doesn't matter what car or the year, if it's a manual it seems to work.
 
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