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stang89bidges

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I just noticed our emoticon I love to use, the guy peeling out through the gears, only has a 3 speed! Can we get someone on this? Need to upgrade him to a T5 please.
 

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T 56 lol
 
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Lol, even auto correct isn't on my side...

 

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@stang89bidges where did you find the head porting instructions? I did not see them on EECTuning.org, only intake stuff. Did I overlook something?
 

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hoopty5.0 said:
@stang89bidges where did you find the head porting instructions? I did not see them on EECTuning.org, only intake stuff. Did I overlook something?
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Did you look at Tom (Tmoss') site? Think everything you need is covered there.
 

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mikestang63 said:
Did you look at Tom (Tmoss') site? Think everything you need is covered there.
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yeah I went from there to EECTuning. Ill go back and check again

Edit - Is it the porting principals document? I was on the wrong site I think.
 

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hoopty5.0 said:
yeah I went from there to EECTuning. Ill go back and check again

Edit - Is it the porting principals document? I was on the wrong site I think.
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@tmoss

Tom- you around Sir?
 

stang89bidges

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I'm at work right now. I will post better later tonight but the porting principles is a good article to start with. There are two other articles I read from tmoss websites as well.

I also used a couple other sites that had good pictures. I found some video as well I used as pointers for all the little things you run into you don't expect and are not in documentation just comes from experience. I will post links later.
 

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hoopty5.0 said:
@stang89bidges where did you find the head porting instructions? I did not see them on EECTuning.org, only intake stuff. Did I overlook something?
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Ok, so here is some of the months worth of research I did before I even started porting. And I still dug into the CC's like an inexperienced idot... Just goes to show learning the hard way can sometimes be costly... But hey, sometimes I think I learn more this way...

TMOSS articles
He has a lot of different papers written on different aspects of an engine. A lot of flow data. A lot of material on what and why it works. I recommend reading them all that pertain to your car and what your trying to do. I wanted to understand the whole idea behind the lungs of our cars so I read most of the intake articles along with the head porting articles as well.

I think some of the ones your looking for could be the following:
1. EECTuning.org • View topic - Making Porting Templates
2. EECTuning.org • View topic - Porting Principals Techncial Article

But I recommend reading a lot more. There are some really good articles on the intakes as well that help explain the heads with the intake.

I quickly realized after reading them a couple times over that I almost don't even need to touch my intake because it's going to flow more air than the heads can handle, even after they are ported... But I am still going to touch them up a little. I imagine no 2 heads or intakes are alike.

FordMuscle has a really good article on this procedure along with other great information on rebuilding the stock 5.0. I actually purchased a subscription just to read the articles in full and let me tell you it was worth it for me because I got a lot of information off that site.
1. Porting Stock Cylinder Heads - Ford E7TE Heads | FordMuscle.com

Some of the better video I found:
Powerblocktv has some good video on some procedures you will run into and some good techniques/ideas you can use. I'm a visual learner so this helped prep my work.
1. Budget Cylinder Head Refresh | HorsePower | PowerBlockTV - Full Episodes
2. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEUQtwIwBw&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrwe9TkJ6gk&ei=p24TVYLvL8iWgwTBpIOABw&usg=AFQjCNHtwLku20dHN6cAar4jes15Vpr7fA&sig2=IxYl5WNqPxoqzer0FamY3w&bvm=bv.89217033,d.eXY


Other Misc sites I used during my research:
1. diyPorting.com
2. E7 Cylinder Head Ramblings - Why are they a restriction and not worth porting : Five.Oh Info
3. E7TE cylinder head project with pics
4. 5.0 Flow - Porting for Small Block Fords

Edit: I forgot to put another great resource out there. Pete's Garage! This guy is a little ADD but you can tell he is knowledgeable. I used his videos for more than just the porting project but he also has a nice little video on the subject.
1. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuJ5eGwvbfI&index=16&list=PLadDQnvFIb-m6WB3XfMiETYdGMlnHJXy2


Hopefully this helps anyone out there looking to port their E7 heads and stock intakes...
 
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Thanks! I've had my eye out for some P heads on the cheap. Next holiday weekend, I may go to the scrap yard and get a pair for $30.
 

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stang89bidges said:
Ok, so here is some of the months worth of research I did before I even started porting. And I still dug into the CC's like an inexperienced idot... Just goes to show learning the hard way can sometimes be costly... But hey, sometimes I think I learn more this way...

TMOSS articles
He has a lot of different papers written on different aspects of an engine. A lot of flow data. A lot of material on what and why it works. I recommend reading them all that pertain to your car and what your trying to do. I wanted to understand the whole idea behind the lungs of our cars so I read most of the intake articles along with the head porting articles as well.

I think some of the ones your looking for could be the following:
1. EECTuning.org • View topic - Making Porting Templates
2. EECTuning.org • View topic - Porting Principals Techncial Article

But I recommend reading a lot more. There are some really good articles on the intakes as well that help explain the heads with the intake.

I quickly realized after reading them a couple times over that I almost don't even need to touch my intake because it's going to flow more air than the heads can handle, even after they are ported... But I am still going to touch them up a little. I imagine no 2 heads or intakes are alike.

FordMuscle has a really good article on this procedure along with other great information on rebuilding the stock 5.0. I actually purchased a subscription just to read the articles in full and let me tell you it was worth it for me because I got a lot of information off that site.
1. Porting Stock Cylinder Heads - Ford E7TE Heads | FordMuscle.com

Some of the better video I found:
Powerblocktv has some good video on some procedures you will run into and some good techniques/ideas you can use. I'm a visual learner so this helped prep my work.
1. Budget Cylinder Head Refresh | HorsePower | PowerBlockTV - Full Episodes
2. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEUQtwIwBw&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrwe9TkJ6gk&ei=p24TVYLvL8iWgwTBpIOABw&usg=AFQjCNHtwLku20dHN6cAar4jes15Vpr7fA&sig2=IxYl5WNqPxoqzer0FamY3w&bvm=bv.89217033,d.eXY


Other Misc sites I used during my research:
1. diyPorting.com
2. E7 Cylinder Head Ramblings - Why are they a restriction and not worth porting : Five.Oh Info
3. E7TE cylinder head project with pics
4. 5.0 Flow - Porting for Small Block Fords

Edit: I forgot to put another great resource out there. Pete's Garage! This guy is a little ADD but you can tell he is knowledgeable. I used his videos for more than just the porting project but he also has a nice little video on the subject.
1. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuJ5eGwvbfI&index=16&list=PLadDQnvFIb-m6WB3XfMiETYdGMlnHJXy2


Hopefully this helps anyone out there looking to port their E7 heads and stock intakes...
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@Noobz347 can we add this to tech? good stuff here
 

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I've been reading a lot of these articles today. They're getting E7 heads and stock intakes to flow 200+ cfm which is insane. You could hurt some feelings running around with a "stock" top end.
 
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mikestang63 said:
@Noobz347 can we add this to tech? good stuff here
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Woah, I got moved. Cool. Thanks for the recognition guys!

This really is a great forum, lots of guys with tons of stang knowledge.
 

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hoopty5.0 said:
I've been reading a lot of these articles today. They're getting E7 heads and stock intakes to flow 200+ cfm which is insane. You could hurt some feelings running around with a "stock" top end.
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This is true, but of course they are professional porters with professional tools and equipment.
 

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Brown truck again. Boom.

Got a really cool tool this time




Some of you have been following me for a while and yes I know. This was supposed to be a small budget re-build.... But as I have been doing my research and preparing myself for the reassembly I have reached a crossroad. I had to make a decision.

I'm waiting for my engine to come back from shop. In the mean time I tore off the front accessories of my truck to fix a coolant leak last weekend. I thought it was going to be an easy water pump replacement but of course it went deeper into the timing cover. I'm sure we have all been there.

However I have never done this before and my truck is sporting over 140g on the odometer and the timing chain was crazy loose. After 2 days of research and putting parts on only to have to take them back off and do it again because I forgot something(noob) I finally got her back on the road running better than ever with no leaks.

During all this I had bought a new timing chain with advance/retard built in the crank sprocket. I was pulling my hair out trying to figure all that out, do I advance like the guy in the video told me or should I keep it at zero? Well I kept it at zero because I didn't really know if my stock cam from Chrysler was true zero ground, retarded(probably for economy reasons), or advanced(highly unlikely).

This brings me to my crossroad decision which was to purchase a new degree wheel kit from summit. The Lunati 8001.

I'm going to learn how to use this thing and degree my 302 stock cam before I install my new timing chain. I feel it's the right thing to do as I'm learning timing/synchronizing your cam and crank is very important, especially with a S/C.

Lunati has some pretty good instructions I just hope my service manual has the stock cam specifications in it so I can do this right... Back to research.
 
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Well this is disappointing. I just got word from the shop that I ordered the wrong flywheel and so they couldn't balance my engine...

I bought the 28oz and apparently our 302's require the 50oz flywheel. I could have swore I read the opposite...
 

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Yep, just found this site. Looks like 1981 ford changed to the 50oz imbalance...



More delays...

Edit: the site Ford Flywheels and Flexplates
 

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Spent the weekend cleaning parts, getting ready for reassembly.



I got these to clean the block with but they also proved helpful on other parts as well. The timing cover was the most time consuming.




And what are these for and are they stock?



Do they simply prevent the oil pan from being damaged by the bolts?
 
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