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FastDriver

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Boooooooooooooooo!!!!

j/k. Sounds like some fun on your horizon!
 
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Mustang5L5

That is…until I whipped out my Bissell
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Never was a fan of turbo's. Too much tomfoolery.

I like blowers. Less tomfoolerly.


That's my scientific opinion
 
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I'd like to give a third option.
A quality H/C/I setup.
The less boost you need the meet your goals, the better the reliability and longevity is going to be.
Unless the ported E7's are some kind of $2500 race port to meet a class, the are still restrictive and are likely little better than the boat anchors they are unported.
While I don't hate the E cam like some do, it's a low 5000rpm cam.
The original edelbrock intake is meh.

I just don't believe in strapping a supercharger onto an engine that has a less than mediocre top end. Pumping boost through a restrictive top end rarely goes well.
And when it doesn't work out, you now have to pull a supercharger or turbo off that top end to fix or replace the mess you have made.

Not everyone has the means or finances for a dart block (if you don't, that should cross the turbo off the list), so imo you build up the h/c/I then move on to a vortech with the least amount of boost as possible to meet your goal.

I just don't believe in skipping a step (the hci).
Consider some AFR 165's, a custom cam, RPMII intake, 70mm TB (could go bigger, but you will have to port the opening of the intake).

Another note:
When comparing turbo's and superchargers as options, it's not really fair to say 0n3 or vortech.
More like should i get an on3 kit or a powerdyne. It's a much more reasonable comparison, since in base form, they are both going to blow up.
Hellion vs vortech would be more fair.
 
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2000xp8 said:
I'd like to give a third option.
A quality H/C/I setup.
The less boost you need the meet your goals, the better the reliability and longevity is going to be.
Unless the ported E7's are some kind of $2500 race port to meet a class, the are still restrictive and are likely little better than the boat anchors they are unported.
While I don't hate the E cam like some do, it's a low 5000rpm cam.
The original edelbrock intake is meh.

I just don't believe in strapping a supercharger onto an engine that has a less than mediocre top end. Pumping boost through a restrictive top end rarely goes well.
And when it doesn't work out, you now have to pull a supercharger or turbo off that top end to fix or replace the mess you have made.

Not everyone has the means or finances for a dart block (if you don't, that should cross the turbo off the list), so imo you build up the h/c/I then move on to a vortech with the least amount of boost as possible to meet your goal.

I just don't believe in skipping a step (the hci).
Consider some AFR 165's, a custom cam, RPMII intake, 70mm TB (could go bigger, but you will have to port the opening of the intake).

Another note:
When comparing turbo's and superchargers as options, it's not really fair to say 0n3 or vortech.
More like should i get an on3 kit or a powerdyne. It's a much more reasonable comparison, since in base form, they are both going to blow up.
Hellion vs vortech would be more fair.
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I hear ya! No plans for mega boost. Very conservative. I will likely upgrade my heads and such this winter when I pull the engine to detail and paint the engine bay. Your points are valid and I don’t have lofty goals.
 

FastDriver

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This guy is long-winded, and would prefer his videos be 1/3 the length they are, but it's still interesting to follow. He's done several turbo cars, including a 363 and another 351, at least one of which went into the 9s. Here, he's having fun with the stock long block + valve springs + head studs. Tuned on Quarterhorse + BE.

Initial tune. Dyno: 387 rwhp/406 rwtq (burned up clutch) 12 psig
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWwWllpdtEY&t=1s


At the track: 1.59 60' 11.60@121mph
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUvSjLAXgIU&t=2s


Retune: 404/447 12.5 psi/15* timing non-corrected
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY9X4ExsbXE&t=683s


I think that's pretty badass, considering the stock long block. I'd still do it with another kit, but just goes to show what a basic turbo car can do. It basically doubled the power of a stocker. Keep the stock cam, throw on cheap basic heads and a half-decent intake, keep the stock cam and max the block at 13psi. On my GT40X/GT40/Stock cam, I made the numbers you'd expect ~420 rwhp 9.5-ish psi.
 
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a91what said:
Well I am selling a SC setup.... PM for details its a custom deal 12psi
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KZGUNS said:
Thanks guys! I’ve made a deal on a very awesome and unique blower.

Stay tuned....
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Well....I'm no rocket scientist but even I can figure this one out.
Looks like a custom PD blower set-up is in the works, can't wait to see it come together !
 
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FastDriver said:
This guy is long-winded, and would prefer his videos be 1/3 the length they are, but it's still interesting to follow. He's done several turbo cars, including a 363 and another 351, at least one of which went into the 9s. Here, he's having fun with the stock long block + valve springs + head studs. Tuned on Quarterhorse + BE.

Initial tune. Dyno: 387 rwhp/406 rwtq (burned up clutch) 12 psig
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWwWllpdtEY&t=1s


At the track: 1.59 60' 11.60@121mph
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUvSjLAXgIU&t=2s


Retune: 404/447 12.5 psi/15* timing non-corrected
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY9X4ExsbXE&t=683s


I think that's pretty badass, considering the stock long block. I'd still do it with another kit, but just goes to show what a basic turbo car can do. It basically doubled the power of a stocker. Keep the stock cam, throw on cheap basic heads and a half-decent intake, keep the stock cam and max the block at 13psi. On my GT40X/GT40/Stock cam, I made the numbers you'd expect ~420 rwhp 9.5-ish psi.
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Thompson dragway is my home track! It’s literally 15 minutes from my house. Small world
 
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Well guess you figured it out.... maybe we should be more covert next time.
 
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a91what said:
Well guess you figured it out.... maybe we should be more covert next time.
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Subscribed And looking forward to details
 
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