How Much Hp To Run 12s In Sn95 And In Fox?

90lxwhite · Oct 8, 2013

mikestang63 said:
It's all relative. In the 90's a new GT was about 14-15k. Gas was $1 a gallon, an average house was $100k, and the average salary from 1986-1993 was

1986 17,321.82
1987 18,426.51
1988 19,334.04
1989 20,099.55
1990 21,027.98
1991 21,811.60
1992 22,935.42
1993 23,132.67

Factor in inflation and the decline in the dollar, and that is why prices seem double, but in fact adjusted are about the same.

average salary
2011 42,979.61

The dollar has lost about 40% of it's relative value since 1990, so $1 from 1990 adjusted for inflation in today's dollar is the equivalent of about $1.73 today.

Not saying your wrong bout avg salary bc in sure you pulled em up from somewhere but I'm having a hard time buying the avg being 42k. W america no longer producing things there aren't near as many production based jobs. Thus leaving us with service jobs. Im no economist by any means but id be willing to be there are more people w/ out degrees than with. So where does this leave the one w no degree in a service industry? Retail and such, no ones making 42k in retail. While there are still jobs that make money the top and bottom are so far apart. Where's the middle class? Even if you are making the 42k you can't get too far w it. 300k dolla home and a 40k dolla car on 42k a year???

stykthyn · Oct 8, 2013

The new economy is based on a dual income house. That leaves just enough to pay the bills and nothing else after Obama and the tax men take their cut. Welcome to middle class.

90lxwhite · Oct 8, 2013

stykthyn said:
The new economy is based on a dual income house. That leaves just enough to pay the bills and nothing else after Obama and the tax men take their cut. Welcome to middle class.

Oh I know it you're sho right. I'm livin it. We had a major city file bankruptcy for Pete's sake!! C'mon America....

Dino Dino Bambino · Oct 9, 2013

90lxwhite said:
While there are still jobs that make money the top and bottom are so far apart. Where's the middle class?

The middle class was the largest section of muscle car buyers but it was shrunk in recent years by bad government policies and the corporate greed of banks and mortgage lenders. A tiny section of the population became richer while the majority became poorer.
As a result of the biggest case of reverse socialism in history, the current generation have a lower standard of living than their parents and can't afford to buy newer cars. The current crop of muscle cars would otherwise have been affordable in a healthy economy with a strong middle class, and they're certainly very popular over here in the Gulf.

Dugl · Oct 9, 2013

Bullitt95 said:
The middle class was the largest section of muscle car buyers but it was shrunk in recent years by bad government policies and the corporate greed of banks and mortgage lenders. A tiny section of the population became richer while the majority became poorer.
As a result of the biggest case of reverse socialism in history, the current generation have a lower standard of living than their parents and can't afford to buy newer cars. The current crop of muscle cars would otherwise have been affordable in a healthy economy with a strong middle class, and they're certainly very popular over here in the Gulf.

Quite true.....the U.S. is one of the few countries, if not the only, that ever had a true "Middle Class". The American Middle Class was the biggest spending group in the world. This is also the 1st time in history where we see children managing/supervising their parent's generation in the workplace.
The musclecar industry crashed around 1973 with gas rationing and going from leaded to unleaded fuel. One muscle car from each of the "Big 3" is a far cry from the way things were. They used to compete rigorously over performance, and now they struggle to stay in business at all.

Dugl · Oct 10, 2013

Anyway.....back to the OP/Topic. I would take a look at Dragtimes.com and search their "database" for a consensus on mods vs ET's. It's just important to remember that an enginine is just an air pump....air sucked in and air pumped out. The greater the volume & effciency, the more power. I would also look at sending all Mustangs to Weight Watchers.

revhead347 · Oct 10, 2013

There are too many factors in there to limit it to power. Weight and suspension have more to do with it then power.

Kurt

Dugl · Oct 10, 2013

revhead347 said:
There are too many factors in there to limit it to power. Weight and suspension have more to do with it then power.

Kurt

Agreed....and once you get the slicks & suspension to hook-up....if the drivetrain isn't "bulletproof", you'll blow clutches, trans, rear gears, u-joints, axles, or whatever the next weak link happens to be....it's an engineering adventure.

revhead347 · Oct 10, 2013

One I've been through a couple of times.

Kurt

Dino Dino Bambino · Oct 10, 2013

revhead347 said:
There are too many factors in there to limit it to power. Weight and suspension have more to do with it then power.

Kurt

Agree and if you can optimize traction, what I said earlier certainly holds true:

Bullitt95 said:
Depends on the race weight but you're going to need a weight/rwhp ratio of not more than 13.6lb/rwhp. Therefore with a 3200lb race weight, you could run a 12.9x with as little as 235rwhp.

RMRJR · Nov 2, 2013

90lxwhite said:
Eh yeah nice try Ace but ya came up short.(that's what she said) The only time slips provided 2 were on drag radials. I stand corrected the guy w dr's didn't list hp numbers. Unless i missed it.. Interesting read though as far as threads go. Well I skimmed through but not bad.

That was my car with the time slips and I did not list any horsepower numbers because it's never been on a dyno so you didn't miss anything I just don't have numbers and didn't want to guess. It does have full interior, not sure how it would run on street tires. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have if that helps in any way.

90lxwhite · Nov 2, 2013

RMRJR said:
That was my car with the time slips and I did not list any horsepower numbers because it's never been on a dyno so you didn't miss anything I just don't have numbers and didn't want to guess. It does have full interior, not sure how it would run on street tires. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have if that helps in any way.

It's cool man, really I was just kinda wondering what kind of power the 302's would need to be making to keep up with the new gt's on the street or at the track

revhead347 · Nov 3, 2013

I would guess about 80hp less to keep up.

Kurt

Dugl · Nov 3, 2013

90lxwhite said:
It's cool man, really I was just kinda wondering what kind of power the 302's would need to be making to keep up with the new gt's on the street or at the track

If you want to run 12's per the OP, I've read that a Stage 3 Rousch runs mid to low 12's....you could mimmick one of those or add nitrous to a stock or modestly modded 2v 4.6

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