I have a Few Build Question - H/C/I

[Danman765432]

Hi,

Right now I have decided to do an H/C/I because I wound up blowing a head gasket and it is something I always wanted to do, but there is one problem, which is that I am on a budget. Its not a major H/C/I but lets say a very mild one. I have a chance to pick up an 1996 explorer motor for $335 shipped to the freight company by my house and then I just have to figure out how to pick it up. Which wont be too hard since if the pallet doesnt fit in my brothers truck, I can rent a truck from Home Depot.

I will only be using this motor for the GT40 heads which I plan on taking to the machine shop and getting them cleaned up, checked over and getting better springs put on.

When it comes to cams I am tore between the TFS1 (great for budget but not computer friendly) or the Crane 2031 (better for the computer friendly part).

Now my real question is, would I be able to get by with using my stock mass air meter and my 19lb injectors? I am not expecting a lot out of this combo, maybe like 250-260rwhp untuned through my AODE. I mean I make more hp now when I spray my nitrous through my 19lb injectors so I would think they are suitable.

The reason why I am asking is because I know it is a lot harder to have the car run untuned with the 24lb injectors and mass air. Personally I really do not have the extra money right now for the tune and MAF and injectors. I will want to add these later on down the road so I would be able to get the car running properly and on nitrous again but that is when I have the money.

Also is there a way to make the mass air meters without the flange work with a bbk cold air intake?

Thanks

 

[PUNISHER RACING]

I would freshen the explorer motor up and install it with your old stock cam and 19's. You got the intake also I assume? I would then look for a cheap meter and 24's and spray it!

 

[Badazgt.]

im always anti stock cam on a H/I car... why? the cam is like the heart

even a 2031 would be better then the stock and i even hate that cam

 

[drakesdad]

In my opinion I don't think you will hit the 250-260 rwh through that aode with just those parts.....with nitrous yes.........but not on just the GT40 heads and untuned.....

 

[final5-0]

Drake's daddy has a very valid point
about the aode keeping the numbers down a bit

Funny this should come up at this time

This morning, I was poking around in my files and ran across a very old post
I saved about the dyno results of switching an aode to a t5

Bottom line numbers were ...... a gain of 42rwhp and 45rwtq

btw ... If anybody wants more info ..........
Let me know and I'll copy and paste that info in a new thread

Yes ...With a stick ... that combo would go around 260rwhp give or take
but
As Will said ... you will not produce rwhp that high with the aode

About your fuel needs

I would go ahead and do a 255 intank pump for good volume

Those tiny 19's are too small for that h/c/i combo at STOCK fuel pressure
but
If you use elevated pressures ... you should be able to get by

I really don't like saying that
but
So many others have done it

That method is just so sloppy
I won't even use the word ... "tune" ... with it

About your meter concerns

That combo will not generate enough airflow to peg the OEM meter

Your Q about the cai and flange I could not say

I've always make my own cai's myself

When I was running the OEM meter I made an adaptor for the flange which
gave me the ability to clock the meter in any position I desired. That allowed
me to simply make the rest of the system from what ever I could find at the
local hardware store and the cost was very cheap.

I know I have seen so many do the cheap ebay cai thing so I guess they
will chime in and help you with that

Grady

 

[Danman765432]

Well I know you said that I would not make 250-260 untuned but why would gcomfx or Paul make 230 N/A with the same exact setup as me through an AODE untuned. I still am not expecting a lot out of this combo but I am just saying. Also on nitrous I know I would make more than that 250-260 because I do now. For example to put my car in proportion on my 80 shot with my current setup I beat a new 07 mustang GT with manual trans and just an axle back exhaust by 3 cars. That was also only at 850psi and a screwed up window switch that would stop spraying early. This was also before I had a chip that would allow my car to shift correctly on nitrous.

Now which cam would you guys recommend for a setup with GT40 heads?

Also I would obviously be getting all existing bolts on such as a bigger throttle body and headers to finish up my exhaust.

Also I would be getting a meter and injectors in about a month to a month and a half after I get my car running, along with a tune...I just need to know if I would be able to get by for the time being since the car I have now is not mine and my mustang is normally my daily.

 

[PUNISHER RACING]

Comp 35-304-8 or a Crower 15511 both have a 114 which will work good with an Auto and NOS and both require a 2500 stall. You have that covered

 

[final5-0]

Comp 35-304-8 or a Crower 15511 both have a 114 which will work good with an Auto and NOS and both require a 2500 stall. You have that covered

I could be wrong but if that Crower cam is the cam I've seen in the past

It is almost as spendy as a Custom from FTI

Grady

 

[final5-0]

Well I know you said that I would not make 250-260 untuned but why would gcomfx or Paul make 230 N/A with the same exact setup as me through an AODE untuned. I still am not expecting a lot out of this combo but I am just saying.

I must have not understood things correctly

It just seems to me that 230rwhp is 30rwhp shy of 260rwhp

I can't be sure how much less but the trend is less ... never the less

Grady

 

[Danman765432]

Grady,

That setup is not including heads and cam...I meant the same exact setup that I have as of now. That is why I said that 250-260 would seem plausible with the addition of heads and cam. I have seen many different numbers on GT40 setups and I do know that they run from the mid 250s-280rwhp.

 

[donkey_punch]

Dan

maybe your better off just fixing the head gasket and saving the money from that motor, frieght and shop work and bank it. get the car running and save the money to do a setup thats going to be worth it.

i have AFR 165's with a 2031 cam. and yes i did notice a difference, and it kept a smile on my face for about 2 weeks. but to tell you the truth for the money i spent, i could of got more for a few hundred dollars more.
i should of went with bigger heads and a bigger cam.

my 2 cents would be to save up some more to get a way better combo to really go with that bottle. your ready to spend about half that if not a little more on what you want to do. your like half way there, you plan on doing it yourself so your gonna save a ton even if you have to fix it now and then tear into it later.

just my advise
later
joe

 

[Danman765432]

Joe that is good advice, I have a few things planned out.

Right now I feel like doing this to just get some expierence under my belt working on the car and knowing what I am doing. I also just want the slight power increase.

Now from the explorer engine I will have a remaining shortblock and I also have a 306 block that I could have for free too. Later on maybe in a year or two I plan on doing a whole motor build. I mean completely forged 331 with nitrous, I am just doing this for now since it is something that I always wanted to do. Also I have to rip off the heads any for the gasket so why not replace them. I also have to replace my front main seal since it is leaking, so when I do my cam that problem will be solved.

I figure I am going to wind up paying $300 for the heads after I part the rest of the explorer engine out and getting them fixed up with new springs and checked over at the machine shop. Some of the parts ill be selling are the intake after I fix it up and repaint it, injectors and converting the throttle body over to a fox style. I figure I could make $300 of the engine including misc. parts so I would pretty much break even.

 

[donkey_punch]

well if you could break even, then it's not bad.

good luck

Joe