Is this a good combo?

[ga94gt]

I am looking for just a fun street car that I can take to the strip 2-3 times a year. So having said that This is the combo I have been thinnking of. Tell me what yall think.

Trickflow TW, 1.6 rr, Trick Flow stage 1 cam or, Steeda 19 cam, Edelbrock Preformer intake, with the mods in my sig. Wha kind of times could i be looking at?

Any input would be great.
Thanks Garrett

 

[UpRise_5.0]

Looks like a good fun street combo.

Instead of mixing all your parts you should take a look at the TrickFlow Engine packages, Heads/Cam/Intake, and more...

http://www.trickflow.com/product/enginekits/pr_enginekits_ford.asp

Then you know it works for sure.

 

[ga94gt]

Yeah i have thought about the Trick Flow kit. all this will be with a DSS 306. I can get a set of TW heads for $1000 brand new. So that is one reason why I wont get the kit.

 

[Sirone]

I have a steeda #19 for sale $150 shipped. Brand new in box. Pm me or 954-292-8153. Joe.

 

[final5-0]

I really don't have a problem with mixing combo parts myself
as long as they compliment each other

I will say most NA combos I've seen with the 19 cam has had
a soft low end

Maybe this will help

Sorry I looked through my files and didn't have any combos
using the 19 cam that was close to your application

Grady

 

[mojopony]

It probably won't idle with the Stage One cam so you'd need a chip or EEC tuner to raise the idle. If you're going with an off-the-shelf grind something like the Comp XE270HR should work okay.

 

[final5-0]

It probably won't idle with the Stage One cam so you'd need a chip or EEC tuner to raise the idle. If you're going with an off-the-shelf grind something like the Comp XE270HR should work okay.

Hey

I have some questions about these cams

If I read the info correctly

The TFS cam will need a tune

Are you saying the Comp cam will not need a tune?

If that is what you are saying ... why won't it need a tune?

Also ... do you think the Comp cam with no tune will make
the same or more power than the TFS cam with a tune?

IMHO ... You make some good points here to consider

Grady

 

[5spd GT]

Check out the contents of the kit and see if it still saves you money compared to what you will pay by getting the gaskets/rockers/etc. yourself

Trickflow H/C/I Combinations:

Street Heat Kits for $2,450:

TFS-K514-350-370 - Street Heat Intake/Street Heat Heads (smog provisions).
TFS-K514-350-370B – Street Heat Intake/Street Heat Heads, Black Upper Intake and Black Valve Covers (smog provisions).

That kit includes:

TFS-51402000 - Stage 1 Cam
TFS-51400510 - 1.6 Ratio, 3/8" Stud, Set of 16
TFS-21406700 - Pushrod Set of 16 -6.700”
TFS-51400904 - Head Gasket Set
TFS-51400801 - Cast Valve Covers or TFS-51411801 for Black.
TFS-51400004 - Twisted Wedge/Street Heads, Assembled (Kit has Single Valve Spring)
TFS-51500001 - 5.0L Street Heat EFI Intake Manifold
ARP-154-3601 - ARP Head Bolt Kit
TFS-51400800 - Oil Fill Kit
TFS-51478520 - Billet Timing Chain Set
FEL-TCS45449 - Fel-Pro Timing Cover Gasket Kit

Track Heat Kits for $2,500:

TFS-K514-360-350 – Track Heat Intake/Track Heat Heads (no smog provisions).
TFS-K514-360350B – Track Heat Intake/Track Heat Heads, Black Upper Intake and Black Valve Covers (no smog provisions).

TFS-51402000 - Stage 1 Cam
TFS-51400510 - 1.6 Ratio, 3/8" Stud, Set of 16, ask for 7/16” stud if wanted.
TFS-21406700 - Pushrod Set of 16 -6.700”
TFS-51400904 - Head Gasket Set
TFS-51400801 - Cast Valve Covers or TFS-51411801 for Black.
TFS-51400004 - Twisted Wedge/Street Heads, ask for track heat head upgrade confirmation.
TFS-51500001 - 5.0L Track Heat EFI Intake Manifold
ARP-154-3601 - ARP Head Bolt Kit
TFS-51400800 - Oil Fill Kit
TFS-51478520 - Billet Timing Chain Set
FEL-TCS45449 - Fel-Pro Timing Cover Gasket Kit

Extra Notes:
The street heat intake has 15 inch runners and the track heat intake has 12 inch runners.

The street heat heads come with smog provisions and the track heat does not. The track heat heads can be ported a bit more because of this.

Both the street heat and track heat heads come with 3/8” rocker studs and the track heat heads can be upgraded to thicker 7/16” rocker studs. Just call your sales representative to get the upgrade.

Both street heat and track heat versions have the option to come with dual valve springs and 10* locks.

Twisted Wedge and Street Heat Heads are the same, not to be confused with Track Heat.

The trickflow h/c/i packages are more designed for the fox-body cars do to valve cover tallness and throttle body adapter plate not being included.

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Cam - Duration @ .050" - Adv. Duration - Valve Lift - Lobe Lift - LSA - Int./Exh. Centerline - Powerband


Trickflow Stage 1 - 221*/225* - 275*/279* - .499"/.510" - .312"/.319" - 112* - 108*/116* - 2,000-5,500 RPM
1.6 Rocker Ratio
Intake Opening: 3* BTDC
Intake Closing: 38* ABDC
Exhaust Opening: 49* BBDC
Exhaust Closing: 4* BTDC

Recommended Valve Springs:
TFS-51400413 with 1.6 ratio rocker arms
Recommended Valve Springs:
TFS-31400414 with 1.7 ratio rocker arms

Steeda #19 - 220*/226* - 280*/286* - .480"/.480" - 115* - 2,300-6,000 RPM

1.6 Roller Rockers
Valve Timing at .006" (Higher numbers than usual .050" timing numbers)
Intake Opening: 26* BTDC
Intake Closing: 74* ABDC
Exhaust Opening: 79* BBDC
Exhaust Closing: 27* ATDC

Recommended Valve Springs:
110lbs Closed/312 lbs Open

Comp XE270HR-12 - 218*/224* - 270*/276* - .544"/.544" - .320"/.320" - 112* - 108*/116* - 1,800-5,800 RPM

1.7 Roller Rockers
Valve Timing @ .006"
Intake Opening: 27*
Intake Closing: 63*
Exhaust Opening: 74*
Exhaust Closing: 22*

Recommended Valve Springs:
Competition 986-16

Comp XE270HR-14 - 218*/224* - 270*/276* - .512"/.512" - .320"/.320" - 114* - 110*/118* - 1,800-5,800 RPM

1.6 Roller Rockers
Valve Timing @ .006" (.006" have higher degree numbers than .050" numbers)
Intake Opening: 25*
Intake Closing: 65*
Exhaust Opening: 76*
Exhaust Closing: 20*

I'm with Grady, it looks like the Stage 1 cam's powerband starts a little bit earlier compared to the Steeda #19. The Steeda #19 could possibly idle a bit better, but nothing a tune can not take care of

 

[ga94gt]

The reason I am going to piece it together is because I can get a set of TW for $1000 shiped brand new.

 

[ga94gt]

What dyno numbers and track times could I be looking at with the Trickflow Kit and the automatic.

 

[Sirone]

4.30 gears out back on slicks possible 12's. Def somewhere in the 13's.

 

[Stanger007]

I would say you'd be low 13s with the TF kit and the autotragic and depending on the tune, close to 290rwhp.

Wes

 

[mojopony]

Hey

I have some questions about these cams

If I read the info correctly

The TFS cam will need a tune

Are you saying the Comp cam will not need a tune?

If that is what you are saying ... why won't it need a tune?

Also ... do you think the Comp cam with no tune will make
the same or more power than the TFS cam with a tune?

IMHO ... You make some good points here to consider

Grady

I should have been a little more specific. Any combo will benefit from a good tune, I was just trying to state that the Stage One cam would probably not idle without a tune (or chip). Its entirely possible that it wouldn't idle with the Comp cam either, but I think the chances for a good idle and good vacuum are better with the Comp XE270HR-14. Looking at the seat timing it has very little overlap. This is not a guarantee that it will idle with the stock ECU, but I think the likelihood is that it would have better manifold vacuum. As far as making more power without a tune vs. the Stage One with a tune I really wouldn't have a clue. I think most h/c/i installs would benefit from some sort of custom tune. I hope I clarified my post a little bit at least.

 

[ga94gt]

I thought about giting a FTI cam instead of the stage one. Would the custom cam benifit me more? or should I just stick to the stage 1?

 

[final5-0]

I should have been a little more specific. Any combo will benefit from a good tune, I was just trying to state that the Stage One cam would probably not idle without a tune (or chip). Its entirely possible that it wouldn't idle with the Comp cam either, but I think the chances for a good idle and good vacuum are better with the Comp XE270HR-14. Looking at the seat timing it has very little overlap. This is not a guarantee that it will idle with the stock ECU, but I think the likelihood is that it would have better manifold vacuum. As far as making more power without a tune vs. the Stage One with a tune I really wouldn't have a clue. I think most h/c/i installs would benefit from some sort of custom tune. I hope I clarified my post a little bit at least.

Yes ... I understand

Another option is to pick a cam based upon its ability to work with the
other combo parts for maximum torque & power

as opposed to

Selection based upon fear of drivability issues

The pcm can be made to work with cams with low lsa with no prob

The down side to that kind of thinking is it will cost more cash

But Hey ... it takes cash to go fast

Grady

 

[Black95GTS]

For your goals, the trick flow street heat package is going to be nearly impossible to beat. There is a ton more in that package then just heads. You can take that package way into the 12s with a proper tune. It's a good deal. Would an FTI cam be better? Hell yeah, but for under 2500 bones you won't top the TFS kit.

Adam

 

[Sirone]

YOu will benefit more from the FTI cam than the TFS stage 1. Even though the stage 1 TFS cam is a good cam. Custom cams just seem to have a broader power band and make more HP and TQ.

 

[final5-0]

I thought about giting a FTI cam instead of the stage one. Would the custom cam benifit me more? or should I just stick to the stage 1?

Here ya go Garrett

Sorry about the sparse info on the FTI combo
but
Some peeps just don't provide much detail in their sigs

Notice each combo signs off fairly early ...
a shorter runner upper would extend their range a bit

Grady

 

[ga94gt]

Thanks Grady You and 5spd gt have a lot of great info.

 

[final5-0]

Thanks Grady You and 5spd gt have a lot of great info.

Your Welcome

You too can have great info

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Grady