J-mod / Tranny problems

93 Stang

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Hello, this is the first time I have posted on this, or any other sight. I come on here all the time to read and search for data. I couldn't find the answer that I need for this one. I am mechanically inclined. I converted my '93 5.0 from auto to 5 speed.

The problem is that I decided to do the J-mod to my wife's '04 GT Vert, completely stock. I did the J-mod according to these instructions, http://www.crownvic.net/tech/4R70Wnotes.pdf. I normally wouldn't touch an auto but after reading about it, it didn't seem that difficult, and it wasn't except now 3rd gear is slipping. I drilled the holes in the separator plate exactly where it says to. I marked each hole with a marker and double checked it twice before drilling and then again after. I removed the spring in the hole behind the c-clip at the front of the tranny on the drivers side. I believe this is the 1-2 accumulator. There was also a plate and spring the fell out from above the valve body from the front passenger side. I believe this was the 2-3 accumulator. I put the plate back in with the pointed side down and left the spring out. I put on new separator plate gaskets and a new filter with 9 qts of fluid. I checked the fluid after it warmed up and it was good. At the same time I also installed a 70264 tranny cooler. I ran it in series with the radiator. I did this Saturday during the day. I drove it around a little after and it seemed fine. I saw on here that under normal driving the shifts would be softer. The shifts felt kinda hard under normal driving. I really like what it did under WOT. I also drove it around a little Sunday night. No problems. My wife drove it today and when she got home she said it didn't seem right. I took it for a drive and it was fine at first but then it just kinda slipped in 3rd and went to OD. I turned off OD and took off lightly again and it just wants to slip in 3rd. Almost like I'm holding the clutch in slightly on my car. I let the car cool down incase for some reason it was hot and drove it down the street again and it went into 3rd at first but the next time it just slipped again.

From what I said, does anyone have any suggestions on what I could have done wrong, or any other ideas?
 
93 Stang:

Welcome to StangNet! Congrats on tackling the J-mod. It is well worth doing and will keep the transmission healthier longer. The shifts will not be softer at normal driving but "almost stock" (a little firmer, especially since you left one of the 1-2 accumulator springs out).

There are a couple of things that come to mind. I am not suggesting anything negative about your wrenching abilities, just offering some things to consider and/or check to help track down this new problem. :flag:

Here's the list...

* the fluid is a little low (it is tricky to check and trickier to get right),
* the old gasket (o-ring) from the old filter is still stuck in the bore (so the filter is not seated properly),
* the plastic electrical connector is not snapped securely onto the solenoid(s),
* the little triangular filter (screen) is not in the correct spot,
* the bolts holding the valve body to the transmission need to be torqued to spec (90 lb-inch).

If you have to drop the pan again, you can still use the fluid but you have to keep everything "surgery" clean.

I'm putting my money on the fluid level. I know that my transmission is pretty sensitive to fluid level.

HTH,

Chris
 
Nyuk98gt, I screwed something up so my wrenching abilities must not be that great. I appreciate all the help I can get. I checked the fluid after my wife got home and the car was nice and hot. It was at the top of the hot side of the dip stick. The old filter gasket or the plastic connector is possible. I didn’t check for the old gasket. I just put the new one on. They both seemed to be seated but who knows. I will recheck them tonight when I drop the pan. I thought I put the screen back in the correct spot. It fit there nicely. Possibly feel out when I put the valve body back. I did torque the bolts to spec. I went and bought a new inch lb torque wrench for this.

CobraRed_96_GT, the problem is 3rd gear not 4th. If I leave the OD on and I drive normal it goes from 2nd to kinda nothing for a minute then into 4th. If I leave OD off it goes from 2nd into slipping. If I slightly hit the gas it still pulls ever so slightly but mostly slips.
 
getting a tune may fix the problem by increasing line pressure for the 3rd gear shift. i've got mine programmed so it shifts ultra smooth under light acceleration, but rips at WOT.
 
getting a tune may fix the problem by increasing line pressure for the 3rd gear shift. i've got mine programmed so it shifts ultra smooth under light acceleration, but rips at WOT.

i have mine set so it feels like you got smacked upside the head every time it shifts, which i like cuz it reminds me why i spent all that money to build the damn thing
 
I think I figured it out last night. I took it all back apart. At first I didn’t see anything wrong. I took the separator plate back off and cleaned the valve body the best I could hopping maybe something fell in there stopping the pressure for the 2-3 shift. I didn’t see anything but now it’s clean. When I went to put the spring base back in the 2-3 accumulator, it was very lose. Not just a little loose. I think somehow it got turned sideways in there not allowing the accumulator to go down. I know it wasn’t sideways when I put it back together the first time but I could have put it to far up in there. This time I made it tighter and only put it up high enough to clear the valve body. Hopefully it doesn’t happen again. If it does happen again, anybody have any ideas on how to keep it from happening, or is putting the spring back in the only other option?

We are going to be taking a trip to the mountains next month and we will be taking her car. It would really suck to have this happen while we were out of town 700 miles away.
 
93 Stang:

By George, I think you've got it! :D Yup, the 2-3 retaining plate has 3 tabs that need to be CAREFULLY bent so that there is enough friction to hold it in place (but they are not bent too straight so that the bore becomes scored as the retaining plate is slipped into the bore). The friction fit will keep it from rotating up and interfering with the piston movement. I bet you have solved the problem now by adjusting that retaining plate.

Post back after a test drive and have a great trip.

Chris