300bhp/ton said:www.kennebell.net
Peak numbers don't mean much, the centrifugal Procharger will give the biggest numbers, but produce less power thruout more of the rev range.
Either setup should be great fun, but IMO a twin screw such as the KB is the only real way to go. As it will give you big block grunt down low and plenty up top too.
well dude!2000 4.6 said:Sorry dude...centrifugal supercharges will not always give "bigger numbers". Look in my sig. I don't know any vortechs or prochargers (maybe a few prochargers and paxtons with the right tune) putting out those numbers.
Get a KB, you will love it!
300bhp/ton said:well dude!
I'm afraid its science fact that centrifugals can produce more PEAK power. (not on every application, but that isn't because of the blower type it will be other reasons)
MM&FF (I think, there is a link from the KB site to an article) built up a 4.6 and added different blowers to it, the centrifugal produced 50+bhp on a 700+bhp motor than the KB did. However the KB will produce more power more of the time.
But the way I see it is a Centrifugal has the worst of both worlds, it doesn't have the instant low down grunt that a twin screw or even a Roots blower can produce, yet it still can't match the BHP numbers of a turbo.
So I do agree with you Kennebell all the way, its the route I will certainly go.
jasonh_86 said:i'm just mainly looking for somethin that'll give me the power as soon as i put my foot on the gas..
KBjasonh_86 said:i dont want to have to wait for the boost to gather up thru the rpm range..
KBjasonh_86 said:such as, when i'm trying to race a car down the street i wanna be able to shift from 3rd to second and walk away..
KBjasonh_86 said:i'm looking for 400-500 hp..
KBjasonh_86 said:but i really do not want to get into the internals if i can help it..
You've never seen a Centrifugal blown car make over 411rwhp and 423rwtq?2000 4.6 said:Sorry dude...centrifugal supercharges will not always give "bigger numbers". See my numbers below. I don't know any vortechs or prochargers (maybe a few prochargers and paxtons with the right tune) putting out those numbers on a stock 2v.
Get a KB, you will love it!
411.5 rwhp
423.7 rwtq
i'm just mainly looking for somethin that'll give me the power as soon as i put my foot on the gas.
Agree00s281sc368 said:
i dont want to have to wait for the boost to gather up thru the rpm range.
Agree00s281sc368 said:
such as, when i'm trying to race a car down the street i wanna be able to shift from 3rd to second and walk away.
Hmmmm 3-2 shift puts you right in most Centi sweet spot and is right around where the twin screw starts to mellow out. This is where the Centi's take over at the track and it's going to be no different on the street.00s281sc368 said:
i'm looking for 400-500 hp.
Centi will make that much power....and more, for less money.00s281sc368 said:
but i really do not want to get into the internals if i can help it.
You're going to need forged internals with either blower at that power level, but the Centi car is likely to hold up better with a more gradual volume of air than the KB's spike right from the get go. Positive displacement blowers make thing lean in a hurry, all it takes is one little detonation and it's all over.00s281sc368 said:
Gearbanger 101 said:You've never seen a Centrifugal blown car make over 411rwhp and 423rwtq?You need to get out more.
I'm all for KB's guys, but quit being so bias here. Most KB owners talk as though it's the only blower available or worth getting? Is that what most of you guys have to keep telling yourself and others to justify spending all of that money? A KB is a kick-street blower, but it's not the only street blower, nor is it the only one capable of adding serious, fun, usable power to a Mustang.Actually, when you compare the prices (believe me when I say that I always compare prices before I make a purchase...especially when you are talking thousands of dollars) all the other superchargers cost about the same amount. Even a vortech kit when you add aftercooler (the KB has an intercooler so you have to compare apples to apples), dyno tune, installation, etc. will be about the same price. See, my KB came with everything I needed and I installed it myself. Those hp #'s are with the stock KB tune too. So we are not being biased...just speaking the truth. KB's rock!!!
PS. The twin screw does not mellow out. You are so wrong. See my dyno graph (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?p=239286#post239286) and tell me where my twin screw mellows out.
2000 4.6 said:Sorry, I shouldn't have said "any"...a majority of blowers out there today will NOT make over 400 hp on a stock 2v. I have seen tons of vortechs (with great tunes) only in the 350-380 range. I have also seen tons of prochargers and paxtons in the 380-400 range.
I'm all for KB's guys, but quit being so bias here. Most KB owners talk as though it's the only blower available or worth getting? Is that what most of you guys have to keep telling yourself and others to justify spending all of that money? A KB is a kick-street blower, but it's not the only street blower, nor is it the only one capable of adding serious, fun, usable power to a Mustang.
Actually, when you compare the prices (believe me when I say that I always compare prices before I make a purchase...especially when you are talking thousands of dollars) all the other superchargers cost about the same amount. Even a vortech kit when you add aftercooler (the KB has an intercooler so you have to compare apples to apples), dyno tune, installation, etc. will be about the same price. See, my KB came with everything I needed and I installed it myself. Those hp #'s are with the stock KB tune too. So we are not being biased...just speaking the truth. KB's rock!!!
PS. The twin screw does not mellow out. You are so wrong. See my dyno graph (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?p=239286#post239286) and tell me where my twin screw mellows out. Please do us all a favor and don't ever speak again unless you know what you are talking about.
mrvax said:"Please do us all a favor and don't ever speak again unless you know what you are talking about. "
Come on! How about I have dyno proof to back up my claim, what evidence do you have?
These threads always start flame wars. Be careful and use solid evidence.
Gearbanger they talking about youmrvax said:These threads always start flame wars....
jasonh_86 said:well.. i have compared prices for the KB and the procharger.. for the procharger kit i was looking at, which came complete w/everything needed including a chip, injectors, and an intercooler it was around $3400.. and the KB 1.7L kit, w/all the stuff was around $4900.. that's my problem.. i do not want to spend $4900 ALONE on the supercharger unless it's gonna make my car so much faster than any other blower out there w/JUST the blower.. that's why i'm leaning towards Procharger..
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