let's talk stroker

UTGAMER said:

No plans for tracks until I learn a lot more. I will use for DD and would like to get a few more yrs out of her. 3-350hp would be great for now. I guess if h/c/i is best Ill take yalls advice and do that and do more over time. Just dont want supped up hondas and other stangs and cameros out running me, ya know? Its suppose to be a muscle car. I need more speed and power. Now if yall can feed my brain more about h/c/i combos and my budget I can stop stressin what to do.. And what bore? Still 30 over? which would be a 306 right

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Its life... there will always be a faster car.


And if your not running at the track there is noone racing you to get to the store.

If you really have your heart set on going fast buy a replacement engine for now... GT40 explorer... chuck in a cheap cam and save your money till then... This way you only have $600 in and a usable shortblock and your putting down 290 at the wheels...

or just do the easy combo buy the trick flow top end kit and be done with it
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-K514-360350B


That being said I have less $$$ then that kit in my entire... but its a miss matched hunk of used parts.

you can find used "go fast" parts on the stangnet's classifieds forums. the corral forum also has a great classifieds section

All of this has been done over and over many times before

You can search out other folks threads like this one
but
I will try to keep it basic, simple, and get to the point

NA first

1) You can go budget with OEM GT40 stuff
and
You basically end up with Cobra power or a bit more

2) You can go with aftermarket stuff
and
You will bump on up to 300 give or take a few

Going 2 over 1 will give more hp
but
each hp over 1 is not all that cost effective

Boosted Combo

If you think you can learn to deal with all that goes along with
a blown combo

I'd do a mix of 1 and a blower

More power than 1 or 2
yet
You don't exceed the limit of the OEM block

You have not talked about how to tune A N Y of your proposed combos

That is something you just can't ingnore
and
You'll have to budget in that cost just like the other speed parts :Word:

Grady

you can probably reuse your current lifters

Been lurking on this one for a while; here's my $.02:

First, you say you want a DD, looking for some street performance (although we don't condone street racing here!), and you're on a budget. You keep saying you want a number, ie "351", "347", "350 hp", "306"... Are you wanting to be able to talk about numbers, or drive a car that performs? Because end the end, horsepower numbers, displacement numbers, etc, don't mean much in and of themselves. Your 302 being bored isn't to give it more displacement, it's to get you back to good cylinder walls, so who cares if it's a "306"?

Stop fixating on the numbers (which in the end are only good for talking trash on forums). If you want a street performer, that'll be fun to drive, and you're going to do it on a budget, then do a LOT of research. Not just asking "what's the best...?" or "what do you guys think of this combo?"...Wear out your search engine, read books on engine building, etc.

First stop (you haven't mentioned it yet, so I'm assuming you haven't done this) should be a gear swap. Get a set of 3.73s or 4.10s and replace your stock gears. Best SOTP mod you can do, and it pays off no matter how much motor work you do.

Read up on HCI combos, then don't be tempted by the "mix and match" bug. Stick with a proven name, and an intake/head combo that was MADE to work together. You're probably best to get the cam that goes with the combo, although you might want to look into a custom grind at least to see if the price differential is worth it. Then, read more about engine assembly. The little things are going to make the difference between your combo being a run-of-the-mill HCI swaps, or being one of those special builds, where everything works together just a little better, and people think you're lying when you tell them it's NOT stroked.

Or, you can get in a hurry, be too worried about how the people in hondas and camaros look at you, want to talk trash about your "numbers", and over-spend for a car that doesn't perform much better than what you have now. If you're building your car to impress others, you need to save a LOT of money, and do a lot of research. In order to impress others with our cars, you need to be in a twin-turbo, stroked 351... and in the end, you'll be beaten by someone with a bigger wallet.

I suggest you build your car for YOU to enjoy. That, done patiently, is within your budget, and won't ever disappoint you.

UTGAMER said:

I know nothing about tunig either

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Problem... Add another $750 on top of your budget for a tune....

UTGAMER said:

need a tune for h/c/i and bore?

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HCI yes...


If everything is staying the same and your only doing a .030 over bore... then no...

Includes no rockers and a carb intake...


also doesent include VC's to clear said rockers...


or hardened pushrods

you know, i don't know man ... here's the thing ... for $4000, i'm thinking you could probably get a 351 long block and have it rebuilt stock with a good but still streetable cam and a decent intake and get it in the car and tuned. then you can save for new heads and put them on in the future. you will have to do your homework though because they are taller than a 302 and you will want to be able to close the hood.

would it be daily drivable? i think so
would it be the fastest car on the planet? of course not
would it be fun to drive? i bet
would it be a great base for future upgrades? absolutley
could you do it for under $4000? probably

just a thought

BlackVert said:

you know, i don't know man ... here's the thing ... for $4000, i'm thinking you could probably get a 351 long block and have it rebuilt stock with a good but still streetable cam and a decent intake and get it in the car and tuned.

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Dude, you're cruel...

Speed costs :Word:

How fast do you wanna spend

Honestly ... You ain't gonna go all that fast with just 4 grand

You can lay down a good foundation with such a budget

Like ... 5.0 short block ... or ... Windsor short block

Like was said above ... do the main thing first
then
Bolt on the good stuff later on as funds become available

I still say a 5.0 from a explorer or like kind of motor

then save up for a vortech
and
you got some serious possibilities

Of Course ... I'd not recommend this way to make power to one just
getting in the hobby or if they had very little experience

A blown combo does require a bit more thought about things on a daily
basis than NA

anywho ... Just keep on with your research and you'll find out ..........

You usually get what you pay for
and
More speed/power is M O R E money

Grady

360 hp with a h/c/i on a 302 would be at the flywheel, not at the rear wheels. if you were to do a typical h/c/i (like the trick flow) and take the car to a dyno for tuning or just to see what kind of power it makes, the dyno results would more likely be around 310hp because of the power lost in the drive train between the engine and the rear wheels.